should We Still Keep the Commandments?

Westside Christian Fellowshihp ^ | July 20, 2016 | Shane Idleman

[metmom]

Should We Still Keep The Commandments?

If you are skeptical because of past experiences with religion, understand that religion is not the answer—a relationship with Christ is. There is a clear difference.

Religion says, “I have to follow rules.” A relationship with Christ says, “I want to follow His plan for my life.”

Religion says, “I have to go to church.” A relationship with Christ says, “I want to position myself to learn more, worship Him and benefit from fellowship.”

Religion offers a set of rituals; a relationship with Jesus offers a guiding light.

Religion is man’s attempt to find God; relationship assures us of His presence.

Many lose sight of purpose because they have “religion” and not a true relationship with Christ. They may know Scripture but they often do not apply it to their lives. As a result, their relationship with God is cold and distant.

A fatal statement, yet so common is, “I know what God’s Word says, but…” For example: I know that I shouldn’t watch certain movies or television programs, but I enjoy then. I know that I shouldn’t date her, but she’s very attractive. I know that I shouldn’t go there, but everyone is doing it. I know what the Bible says, but it doesn’t apply now. I know that I need to go to church, pray, and read God’s Word, but I’m too busy.

[BipolarBob]

but your accusatory tone hacked me off the other day

Sorry to hear that. if you could tell me what post it was perhaps I will modify my position. I do get enthusiastic I admit.

[editor-surveyor]

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Mosaic law is Yehova’s law, AKA Torah.

You must be thinking of the Pharisee’s false law, which they have the audacity to call “Moses’ law,” with which they burdened the people, but which Yeshua denounced and took to the cross.
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[editor-surveyor]

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>> “You don’t sound Roman Catholic” <<

That’s good, cuz I’m not.
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[editor-surveyor]

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“Hebrew Roots” is simply reality. It is Yeshua’s narrow path. The feasts impart a solid understanding of Yehova’s plan, so that we will know when the day of Trumpets arrives. (if you are “watching,” you cannot miss it)

Judaism and christianity are man made bondage. Neither is anywhere to be found in scripture. The Acts of the Apostles is the ancient Hebrew Faith, laid out like a script.
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[.45 Long Colt]

I fear for you.

[Elsie]

I thought you were working on the 1-6-1 math problem and disappearing days.

As soon as I solve THIS...

[Elsie]

I don’t know why folks call Saturday & Sunday the weekend.

It’s clear from the calendar that Saturday is the weekend; & Sunday is the week START!

[BipolarBob]

You must be thinking of the Pharisee’s false law,

If that is the case I did not do it intentionally. I suppose I call it Moses law because that is how it is referred to in the Bible. It was spoken by Moses. (Lev. 1:1,2) It was written by Moses.(Deut. 31:9) It was called the law of Moses. (Mal 4:4) It pointed to the sacrifice of Christ. (Col. 2:14-17) Therefore it was an expiring law. It's purpose was finished.

[MHGinTN]

Just know that reasoning with a Rudian is, well, nearly impossible. But he’s a good guy, just following the wrong ‘prophet’, stumbling back under the law rather than living in Grace.

[BipolarBob]

I’m not sure what a Rudian is. I take it most people on here are good guys/gals. Grace doesn’t make void Gods Law but it does allow us to keep it.

[Uri’el-2012]

I reject the Hebrew roots movement and its understanding of Scripture. I’m not interested in bondage.

You seem to have placed yourself under the
Bondage of 17th Century"KJV".

You are aware that Yah'shua was,
is and always will be a Jew & a Rabbi.
You are also aware that Yah'shua will
reign from the throne of King David
in Jerusalem for a 1000 years when he returns.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

“Hebrew Roots” is simply reality. It is Yeshua’s narrow path. The feasts impart a solid understanding of Yehova’s plan, so that we will know when the day of Trumpets arrives. (if you are “watching,” you cannot miss it)

Judaism and christianity are man made bondage. Neither is anywhere to be found in scripture. The Acts of the Apostles is the ancient Hebrew Faith, laid out like a script. .

How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ?

The Law of First Mention

Is it all those called out by YHvH ?

A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.

Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?

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Did the "church" exist earlier ?

Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10

NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.'

Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8

What was the purpose of the Ekklesia ?

Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No !

Was it to have a temporal head ? No !

It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ?

and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ?

And to teach their children the same ? Yes.

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Ekklesia is from the Hebrew Qahal (kof, hey, lamed)

(kof => The HOLY ONE
hey => grace, breath of G-d
lamed => teaching and learning)

which is haQahal The assembly (hey, kop, hey, lamed)
In scripture it is always used to describe
those who have been assembled by YHvH.
It begins in Exodus 16:3 ( the bread from heaven )
and continues to Nehemiah 8:17 (living in Booths)

NAsbU Nehemiah 8:17
The entire assembly of those who had returned from
the captivity made booths and lived in them.
The sons of Israel had indeed not done so
from the days of Joshua(Yehoshua)
the son of Nun to that day.
And there was great rejoicing.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

I don’t know why folks call Saturday & Sunday the weekend.

It’s clear from the calendar that Saturday is the weekend; & Sunday is the week START!

I remember when I was in Europe years ago.
One of the countries I was in their calendar
began on Monday.

Thus creating Sunday as the seventh day.
It seemed to be a subtle cultural reminder
of the Roman church's authority over the empire.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[amorphous]

...Yah'shua will reign from the throne of King David in Jerusalem for a 1000 years...

Amen!

[amorphous]

I reject the Hebrew roots movement and its understanding of Scripture. I’m not interested in bondage.

I find those who reject the commandments, in many cases, are some serious rebels who go to extremes to make the scriptures conform to their own desires. No vine exits without roots. The OT, and it's first five books, the Torah, are rich in knowledge of the Creator and His plan for Mankind.

Great caliber btw, it's my fav...;

[BipolarBob]

I find those who reject the commandments, in many cases, are some serious rebels

The newest Bible versions will list The Ten Optionals (it sounds less harsh than commandments) or the Nine Commandments (Your choice!). (jk) We must be in the last days is all I can say.

[rollo tomasi]

"Christian Nihilism is the Christian principle of non-judgment erased of all laws of God."

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 --For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

Jesus fulfilled the Law and then condensed the Law to the actual context; to love God and others. Goes back to what defiles man which in turn displeases God and harms others. Jesus conquered sin but expects standards to be met if you truly love God, plus creates a harmony within society/Church. Knowing them by their fruits and actions like that and correcting, not excusing disruptive sins.

[amorphous]

he newest Bible versions will list The Ten Optionals ...

You had me there for a moment, until I saw your (jk), lol.

We must be in the last days is all I can say.

Agree, it's the apostasy, the falling away, one of the last prerequisites before the end of this age, IMO.

[MHGinTN]

Google Micheal Rude

[editor-surveyor]

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Grace is being allowed forgiveness for past excursions from Torah through confession and repentance.

As Paul clearly said, if we do this more than once, we attempt to hang Yeshua back on the cross.

If our first confession and repentance was sincere, Yehova wrote Torah on our hearts, eliminating our desire to depart from his commandments.
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