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Theologian: Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege
National Catholic Register ^ | January 2, 2017 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod

...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.

Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.

Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.

The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”

The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”

Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.

For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...

(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...


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To: Repent and Believe
You reject the church’s teaching on truckloads of Non-biblical 'doctrine'.

Fixed.

581 posted on 01/13/2017 11:20:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981

With Latin being the last.


582 posted on 01/13/2017 11:21:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
3 But I would have you know *that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ, is God.

Elsie 1:3.5
...and the head of the church is the pope.

583 posted on 01/13/2017 11:22:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
... is the pope.

Except the present one: he's a jerk!

Elsie 1:3.6

584 posted on 01/13/2017 11:23:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

If your math skilz wuz gud, these guys;

and Madame Curie too, would be just a'dyin' to hear from you!

Buying bread from a
man in Brussels
He was six-foot-four
and full of muscles
I said, do you speak-a
my language
He just smiled and
gave me a
vegemite sandwich

585 posted on 01/13/2017 11:44:06 AM PST by BlueDragon ('a yald, poutherie Girran for 'a that had stomach like a meere that wad hae digested tumbler-wheels')
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To: Elsie
I see what you did there.

You do remember how the counting goes!

586 posted on 01/13/2017 11:45:27 AM PST by BlueDragon ('a yald, poutherie Girran for 'a that had stomach like a meere that wad hae digested tumbler-wheels')
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To: BlueDragon; Elsie
...how the counting "went", I meant. According to certain 'Dudes when they was going about their 'a-divvy'n 'tween themselves...

Not to be confused with how it really does go, in the larger economy (I think...)

The truly Universal "economy". That is, according to the real ah, accounting firm, the one up in the sky, which interestingly enough is the only One who's ledger truly, uh, counts.

What's in your
sub-atomic
particle?

587 posted on 01/13/2017 12:00:22 PM PST by BlueDragon ('a yald, poutherie Girran for 'a that had stomach like a meere that wad hae digested tumbler-wheels')
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To: Elsie

... is the pope.
Except the present one: he’s a jerk!

The “present one” isn’t one.

See the links to Novus Ordo Watch in the posts recorded below and note that the jerk of whom you speak was rejected by God and is not an actual pope therefore, in spite of all the sheep’s clothing “Francis” may put on.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3509997/posts?page=234#234

http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3509997/posts?page=319#319


588 posted on 01/13/2017 12:07:55 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe; boatbums

You mean there's another one? Just like you, but with tricky spelling name change?

No?

Speaking about self in third person, are we then?

For all their worth, may well as be Mardi Gras beads that you be throwing at people around here.

If you're still trying to rope people into Catholicism, while you're at all of this effort, maybe try using a lasso, throwing one of those at their heads, instead of trying to score ring toss with comically misplaced costume jewelry.

If you did it cowboy style, once ya' got 'em roped around the neck, then shoot, you could reel 'em in (so to speak). Then they couldn't get away no more.

Iffn' the fates are with you, you may luck out and there be a talented heeler catch sight of all the action, see opportunity to himself to join in, toss his lasso at the hoofs and heels (that's why they call them "heelers") and you guys could make a regular jack-pot rodeo out of it. Maybe team up, go ride the range in search of cattle.

You know what then man said.

If you love me, rope my cattle right 'round the neck, do whatever it takes to Wrastle 'em down on the ground, hogtie their feet, then hit in the flank with a sizzlin' branding iron, cut a notch or two in their ears...(there's more, but never mind the rest of 'cutting commentary' that could accompany this scenario...).

Should we reckon ol' St. Peter would be mighty proud of you both? Proud of both spellings of R & B's, that is...

589 posted on 01/13/2017 12:51:50 PM PST by BlueDragon (one a 10 dollar horse and a 40 dollar saddle I'm goin' up the trail with them longhorn cattle)
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To: metmom
Again, you are misrepresenting my position and beliefs. I told you once and you are persisting in repeating the same error. I follow Jesus, NOT any man. he fact that some of my beliefs are the same as those held by Luther by no means indicates I am following him.

But wasn't it Luther who said,

"It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors" ?

590 posted on 01/13/2017 12:53:11 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom
As we say here in CNY, if you don’t like the weather, just wait a minute.

Outright theft:non:  We here in NE said it first!

Yet according to this study, "among cities that do fall within the most populous metro areas, those with the most unpredictable weather are as follows:

Kansas City, Missouri; Oklahoma City; Minneapolis; Cincinnati; Indianapolis; St. Louis; Birmingham, Alabama; Boston; Milwaukee; Dallas.

591 posted on 01/13/2017 1:05:47 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom

Forgot link: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-city-has-the-most-unpredictable-weather/


592 posted on 01/13/2017 1:06:32 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
For instance, look at how many words it gets out of Job 34:10, "Far be it from God, that He should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that He should commit iniquity," when literally as seen here , "from" "that he should do" "hat he should commit" is missing, and can easily be understood ass saying, "Far be it from God, wickedness; and from the Almighty, iniquity."

I do not understand this complaint. Perhaps it was just a matter of preference. The Hebrew text is correct and the English translation on the Jewish website (Mechon-Mamre) is the same as the KJV. Hebrew often translates into more English words and here M-M agrees with KJV (I had thought the objection would be about known messianic texts where the Jewish translations, but not the source, differs).
593 posted on 01/13/2017 1:25:41 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Repent and Believe
See the links to Novus Ordo Watch in the posts recorded below and note that the jerk of whom you speak was rejected by God and is not an actual pope therefore, in spite of all the sheep’s clothing “Francis” may put on.

Golly; what are YOU going to do about it?

Just WHINE; or actually PROTEST?

594 posted on 01/13/2017 1:40:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Kansas City, Missouri; Oklahoma City; Minneapolis; Cincinnati; Indianapolis; St. Louis; Birmingham, Alabama; Boston; Milwaukee; Dallas.


YOW!!


595 posted on 01/13/2017 1:41:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
which-city-has-the-most-unpredictable-weather/

Should this not read:

Which city has the WORST weather FORECASTERS?

596 posted on 01/13/2017 1:42:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
The Hebrew text is correct...

Oh; prove it.

Without using English; of course.

597 posted on 01/13/2017 1:43:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981; BlueDragon; Elsie; boatbums
That is somwhat of a red herring against the Jews and their English translation of the Bible by pointing to some other verse's translation. I was not discussing Job, but rather the Hebrew in a particular verse in Genesis which both I and the Jewish link correctly translated as "the woman" Do you have a valid argument against the Hebrew text at the source or the translation of the phrase about which I inquired ?

What is it with some who see antisemitism in every closest? Are we going to see Luther dragged in this next? This was not at all a red herring, your issue pertained to accuracy, and thus in my endeavor to be so I did not at all attack or impugn Jews , whom i defend as beloved for the father's sake and look forward to their conversion, but instead i gave authority to the Hebrew text over an English translation from your source , that, as was shown you , was not accurate word for word, and was "based on the electronic text (c) by Larry Nelson (P.O. Box 1681, Cathedral City, CA 92234 USA, nelsonlarry@juno.com) as found on the Internet in differing copies."

I was not discussing Job..

Did you read what i wrote or have you forgotten? I do not read Hebrew and your source does not show what all the Hebrew words mean, except per verse and if the English was word for word accurate. To see if it was, and before i found my source, i chose a text that i knew had many supplied words, which is Job 34:10, which showed me (and thus you) that the English translation of your source was not a precise word for word translation. I then found a more and helpful accurate source , which, as i showed, confirmed what you said, that the "the" was in the Hebrew.

In both sources the Hebrew text was the same as far as i know, but as also said, my source provides pop up texts for the meaning of each Hebrew word, plus the English shows the supplied words, which were not distinguished in yours.

but rather the Hebrew in a particular verse in Genesis which both I and the Jewish link correctly translated as "the woman" Do you have a valid argument against the Hebrew text at the source or the translation of the phrase about which I inquired ?

The ethnicity of the web master had nothing to do with my choices, so please refrain from your "against the Jews" charge. A devout Jew would prioritize accuracy, which i did here. Talk about a red herring!

598 posted on 01/13/2017 2:07:12 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

See the links to Novus Ordo Watch in the posts recorded below and note that the jerk of whom you speak was rejected by God and is not an actual pope therefore, in spite of all the sheep’s clothing “Francis” may put on.
Golly; what are YOU going to do about it?

Just WHINE; or actually PROTEST?

Neither!

My response is to attend and be faithful to the church as it was prior to the false council in the 50’s, in who’s company I join, albeit very small in size.

There is only rejecting and moving on.


599 posted on 01/13/2017 2:13:55 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: boatbums

That was a great post. I’m in near agreement with you.

The agree-to-disagree part: in my mind, let’s say a Catholic was trying to “save” someone he/she really really loved, like their child, I’d say that the Church is adamant that only the Eucharist and Reconciliation are requirements different from most Protestants. If had to focus, I’d say the rest of the doctrines are helpers.

As said many times, the Church points to Scripture as the basis for this line in the sand, which must be flowed down through interpretations of Spirit-inspired men and women (tradition) (there’s no getting around the need for this - even the original languages are different).

That’s all - agree to disagree.


600 posted on 01/13/2017 2:16:19 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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