Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
Ya sure?
Looks about the size of Venus.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=transit+of+venus&FORM=HDRSC2
What do YOU think about these attributes?
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BAH!
They are OBVIOUSLY demon possessed!!
Why ELSE would they reject the TRUE Body of Christ??
Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!)
Against WHAT?
:-)
Bol!
If we were to take the words at issue plainly literally as Caths insist we must, then we would have to conclude that what the apostles consumed was the same manifest incarnated body that proved that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, versus simple appearance.
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. (1 John 5:6)
For at the Last Supper, the Lord said And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you (1 Corinthians 11:24) and "this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matthew 26:28)
And the only human body that Christ ever had was one that was manifestly human, one that looked, felt, smelled, and would taste and scientifically test as truly human, including i believe, in its resurrected state, even though Christ could bodily appear at will, versus being like a phantom.
And the apostles could far more easily believe that the piece of meat they were to consume was His human body, rather than a piece of bread that looks , feels, smells, and would taste and scientifically test as such does not really exist, but instead it is the same body of Christ that was crucified for us (until the non-existent bread begin to decay),
The problem is that, apart from a few sketchy purported miracle which are contrary to Eucharistic theology, Cath priests have not been to effect this change, nor did the Lord ever manifest Himself as an inanimate object.
This thus necessitated explaining the deceiving nature of this "real disguised presence" by employing specious pagan philosophy to "explain" what is not seen in Scripture but best corresponds to what is attested to by some accounts of pagan practices.
Yet all of which contrivances is unnecessary as well as wrong, since the metaphorical understanding alone easily conflates with John and the rest of Scripture .
Aah, I think you got me on that one.
In a possibly pathetic attempt at "a save" for my prior mistake, can I on second thought switch from having invoked 'hotter than blazing midday Sun on surface of Mercury' rock-hard dehydrated density, in characterization of another's here expressed theological suppositions & positions (vis-a-vis Latin Church "papacy" as that is known and often discussed) to now (after correction), change over to comparing that same position (of another, not my own positions, those are all beyond reproach, of course!) to poisonous, windy, cloudy (but still ultra-overheated) Venetian (the planet, not the city) thickness?
How about a Mercury-Venus combo?
More down to earth, (and not without a dolloped measure of implied further criticism, this time including quite possibly striking near and at my previous beyond reproach self); years ago now, at a Paso Robles California Mid-State Fair, I once heard this live, in concert, performed by the writer, and stage-full of rockin' side-men;
It was much better live, in person, than from over-the-airways original recording, even while it still sounded just almost exactly like the original in perfect pitch, throughout. I may have been standing in an acoustic 'sweet spot'. I do recall being amazed by what the sound tech engineer crew and operators had pulled off in that outdoor bandstand-like setting. If Kortchmar and Walsh (a couple the original recording's guitarists) were there-- or not, I do not recall, but all the timing & pitch conformed perfectly, except that the guitar lead at about 4:17 timing mark (one of Joe Walsh's parts I do believe) was MUCH better, richer, fuller, more biting but still 'fatter' in voicing-tone, all at the same time.
Care to show us where he stated that or even implied that if you are Catholic, then you aren't a Christian?
I haven't seen Catholic women cover their heads in ages.
Or are you claiming that one *real, true* Catholic women cover their heads and that if a woman doesn't cover her head, she's not a *real true* Catholic?
You can read his post 424.
As
(your own words of self-identification), when you and other "practicing Catholics" consume consecrated Eucharist wafer --- are any carbohydrates, at all, included?
Does the bread, the official "wafers" --- when the Lord's Supper is conducted within official 'Catholic' communion --- still retain the same measure of carbohydrates after consecration as it did prior to when it was consecrated?
You may think this a silly question, but there is reason for my asking it.
Can you answer? Would your own understanding lead you to say "yes", or "no"?
What glowing palather! Daniel1212 will defend fellow Christians, but in typical catholiciism conflation you would dictate that he must therefore defend your ism. Catholicism is not Christianity. IF you ever awaken to that TRUTH, you can become a Christian. There is one tiny step you can take to get you awake ... stop conflating The Church Jesus is still building, with the institution named Catholicism which cannot save you. Once awake you will note that there are Christians in the Catholic congregations, but they are there as attendees to an institutional process, not because of that institutional process making them born again. When you figure that one out, you might just choose to be born from above yet remain in your institution ... God knows your needs better than you do.
And I would guess that God knows my needs better than you do, too.
Thank you for your concern.
pax et bonum
pax vobiscum
:-)
Maybe you would consider praying for me?
I can use all the help I can get.
I agree. (nice to see you here!)
Oh, what delicious irony! ;o)
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