Gay man is left stunned and hurt after Catholic pastor bans him from singing at his own grandmother

dailymail.uk ^ | December 1, 2016 | Miranda Bryant For Dailymail.com

[Morgana]

FULL TITLE: Gay man is left stunned and hurt after Catholic pastor bans him from singing at his own grandmother's funeral because of his sexuality, insisting that it would 'cause a scandal'

A gay man has told of his shock and disbelief after a Catholic pastor banned him from singing at his grandmother's funeral because of his sexuality.

[piusv]

If this was a Latin Mass, this wouldn’t even be an issue.

[Morgana]

“Women don’t seem to understand how deeply, terribly, horribly abominable this thing is.”

Dude please!! I’m a woman and I posted this here. Yes I do get it.

[Morgana]

So true. To my knowledge he can’t sing Ave Maria in gregorian chant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbshBhnC9mA

[piusv]

More than that....has the laity ever taken part in the Requiem Mass?

[Chode]

prolly doesn't even believe in God

[dsc]

“Dude please!! I’m a woman and I posted this here. Yes I do get it.”

Maybe, but until I see evidence of that, I’m gonna doubt it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Yeah, an autodidact, who has missed out on study of the real world. Such a person makes many gaffes.

OK, spare me.

[HiTech RedNeck]

But again how are we ever going to detect the hand of God on the person without rudely driving him away, in which case then the person may go to the “anathema” of an evangelical congregation and find the right attitude because God couldn’t get through the formalities of the Catholic system?

You folks earned that reputation and onus, if it happens. Notice Mike Pence is a former Catholic, now evangelical, who now believes in the redemption and rehab of such souls. Because he got out of the manmade theological box that has plagued your communion and the way it thinks.

[HiTech RedNeck]

And that’s what I think the otherwise troubled Francis meant when he said “If they are of good will.” Everybody’s hopping on him for “Who am I to judge” without noting the important, crucial actually, condition that he put on it.

2 Peter 2:8. It’s as though they were being told “It’s OK to go hide yourself in our wooden blame system, never mind the grace that God might have just whispered in your ear.”

And yes they DO hide themselves in that. The law is actually their excuse to keep on sinning, and eventually go to the hell in which they will permanently be fighting against God. They gin up despair that way.

If you in your autodidacity want to be part of that wooden blame system... then go ahead and don’t let Jesus teach you about where His grace can and DOES go to bring sinners back from the brink.

[HiTech RedNeck]

So yes, the priest may have also been in that wooden box. Dead on his feet, so to speak... dead to Christ although alive to man’s theologies.

But that’s him and he’s not here.

Are YOU in such a wooden box?

[dsc]

“God couldn’t get through the formalities of the Catholic system…You folks earned that reputation and onus…manmade theological box that has plagued your communion and the way it thinks…”

Aww, and this conversation started out so well. Was it a trap from the beginning?

“the person may go to the “anathema” of an evangelical congregation”

Protestantism is not anathema.

“who now believes in the redemption and rehab of such souls.”

Somebody tell you that the Catholic Church doesn’t? What the Church objects to is these guys coming over and saying, “I’m bringing my abomination into your church, and you will enthusiastically endorse it, or else.”

“But again how are we ever going to detect the hand of God on the person”

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say there.

“Yeah, an autodidact, who has missed out on study of the real world. Such a person makes many gaffes.”

That’s just unsupported and insupportable meanness.

Tell me, in your first couple of posts, when you seemed to understand this issue so well, were you just trolling for a fight?

[ameribbean expat]

“He said that both his grandparents would be ‘disgusted by their parish’. He added: ‘They saw beyond race, religion, sexuality, and social class. They loved everyone.”

Actually junior, that’s just what they told you. Fact is, you broke their hearts and they died hoping you’d get your crap together and come to your senses.

[Vigilanteman]

Agreed. I am not Catholic, but I have enough Catholic friends that I understand well how important traditions are to them. It is central to their faith. The priest tried to accomodate the fruitcake by other means and, in fact, did so. But that still isn't good enough to them.

As one Catholic friend told me, they won't be satisfied until they can have a clusterf*** around the altar and have their fake marriage blessed by a priest. Maybe not even then.

[EBH]

Much as I would support this Pastor if he denied this man the opportunity to serve on the altar, or receive Communion, I disagree with his actions here. Singing at a Funeral Service , even if it does involve a Mass, isn't taking part in the actual Mass.

Understanding the Catholic Mass:

It is not the priest “performing” for the people, but it is the community of faith, priest and people alike, worshipping, praising, and celebrating together as One Body and Blood of Christ. In the Mass, we are transformed and renewed in faith and prepared to meet the demands of discipleship in our changing, challenging world with the strength of God’s support and one another in Holy Communion. Understanding the Mass

It has always been my understanding that if one is living in sin, refuses to repent of the sin(s) one cannot participate in the celebration of the Mass. It isn't just about what happens on the Alter. It is the whole community of the church that celebrates Mass.

[SuziQ]

The pastor actually invited the young gay man to sing in tribute to his grandmother at the funeral home, the parish hall, at the cemetery or at the post-funeral luncheon. And the man did indeed sing at the cemetery, at his grandmother's gravesite, just as the priest suggested.

Thanks, Mrs. Don-O. I hadn't read the letter, so I'm glad the priest provided some options. Too bad the young man decided to take his offense public.

I've seen Funeral Masses where the priest ends the Mass, then the 'tributes' begin, with various family members, friends, etc. remembering the deceased. I don't particularly like that, but it's clear it's not part of the Mass, itself, so I'd wondered if the Grandson singing AFTER the Mass, but before the body is removed from the Church, might be acceptable.

[SuziQ]

In the spirit of Free Republic, I didn’t read the article before commenting, so I missed the priest’s letter. ;o)

[SuziQ]

Women don’t seem to understand how deeply, terribly, horribly abominable this thing is.

Yes, dear, "women" do understand how abominable the sin is, but sadly, for most people attending funerals these days, denying someone the ability to honor a loved one would cause more of a scandal than someone's particular sin. That's because many people at Catholic funerals these days haven't darkened the doors of a Church since the last funeral or wedding they attended; many don't attend Mass regularly these days, so they have no clue what the Church teaches, or why.

[dsc]

“Yes, dear, “women” do understand how abominable the sin is”

There is a whole level that women just don’t get.