Posted on 10/26/2016 4:42:03 PM PDT by Morgana
Another woman with a painful pregnancy story defended her late-term abortion this week in reaction to Donald Trump’s remarks at the last presidential debate.
During the Oct. 19 debate, Trump exposed the brutal nature of late-term abortions and the extremism of pro-abortion challenger Hillary Clinton, who supports late-term and partial-birth abortions up until birth.
“I think it’s terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying in the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. Now you can say that that’s okay and Hillary can say that that’s okay, but it’s not okay with me,” Trump said.
The Rev. Dr. Amy Butler responded to Trump’s comments in a column for USA Today this week, explaining why she chose a late-term abortion for her daughter.
“As I heard Donald Trump talk about babies being ‘ripped’ from their mothers’ wombs, as if ending a pregnancy is a reckless, irresponsible afterthought, my outrage poured down my face in angry tears,” Butler wrote. “In those moments, Trump, who has never been pregnant and presumably has navigated this far in his life without undertaking any difficult, gut-wrenching, gray-area decisions, used my own pain — deep, deep pain — to advance his political agenda.”
A minister at The Riverside Church in New York City, Butler said her decision to abort her daughter “ended a dream” for her and her husband. She described how excited she was when they found out that they were having a second child, a girl.
Then, during a doctor’s appointment late in her pregnancy, she sensed something was wrong. She said her doctor “was silent for too long” while viewing her sonogram images.
“The moments that followed were filled with one doctor after another entering the exam room, looking at the sonogram screen, then retiring to the hallway and whispered conversation with my doctor,” Butler wrote. “I kept asking what was going on, but nobody would tell me anything. As I sat there in the cold company of beeping monitors, my heart beat so fast and I felt so afraid.”
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They told her that her unborn baby girl had a potentially fatal developmental problem and probably was in pain. She also learned that her own life was in danger if she continued the pregnancy to full term. The doctors gave her three options: abort, deliver the baby early, or wait.
Butler said she was heartbroken, but she did not think twice. She decided to abort her unborn daughter.
“For me it was important that the baby not experience pain, and that we have a little ability to say our goodbyes in as safe and loving way as we could,” she said. ” I didn’t know how we’d survive the loss, but I did know the right course of action for me, my baby and my family.”
She concluded:
If Trump’s words made you feel certain — or maybe even a little bit smug — that his position is the right one, then please consider my story, allow for another narrative and, at the very least, reject the political strategy of impugning motives without hearing real people’s stories.
Then join me in building an America where every child has what she needs, every little one has arms to hold him tight, and everybody’s story is honored for the holy humanity it reveals about each one of us.
Pro-lifers need to be clear about where we stand on such heartbreaking situations. Pro-lifers do not want to see women or their babies suffer or lose their lives. Butler did not give many medical details; but if her life was at risk, pro-lifers are okay with action, such as induced preterm labor or a C-section, to save the mother’s life even if it results in the baby dying. Tragically, in some rare circumstances, the mother and the baby cannot both be saved. These are not the situations that Trump or pro-lifers are referring to when they talk about late-term abortions.
What pro-lifers are opposed to is actively killing the unborn child in an unnecessary, brutal and often painful abortion procedure. Abortion is not a safe option or a painless one for a late-term unborn child or its mother. Late-term abortions are much more dangerous to the mother than early ones, and many doctors have confirmed that late-term abortion procedures (which are different from induced labor or C-sections) are not necessary to save a woman’s life.
Tragically, however, abortion activists have succeeded in convincing some heartbroken families that what Planned Parenthood founder and eugenicist Margaret Sanger said is true: “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
Smells like BS to me!
I am against Partial Birth Abortion for reasons of birth control or general inconvenience. I support women’s choice to consider this procedure when her health is clearly in jeoprody. We have to be careful saying it is never, ever justified. Imagine being in her body feeling all that unrelenting pain, and told you must simply accept your lot. I cannot.
Yes, total BS. There are no ends to the holes in this story. It’s really all about a *risk* that the child *might* be developmentally disabled and not wanting to deal. Can’t take that on-—kill the child even if there’s just a *chance* the child *might* be an inconvenience. Very sad.
I’ve heard about that church.
I’ve heard about that church.
Love conquers pain. She had no love for her daughter, no more than for a pet that needed to be put down. I know many people, of all ages, who live with pain daily. Some are severely disabled. None would prefer to never have been born. Her child was not given the choice to live. She stole the very life from her child. That is the greatest pain possible, to not be allowed the chance to live.
Like they really killed the baby without any pain.
Whatta load this is!
What do you know about it? I take it this church is pro choice? Liberal? Do tell
Prayer and trusting a loving God was apparently not an option.
Butler said she was heartbroken, but she did not think twice. She decided to abort her unborn daughter.
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So no prayer was involved? She didn’t even pause a little while to as Jesus what to do? The good news is she is going to get to see her daughter in heaven, although she may be looking up across an abyss that can’t be crossed.
I think we don’t have to be careful about decrying PBA in any circumstances. Reputable OBGYNs have stated categorically that there is no situation where it is the procedure of choice or medically indicated.
Groups including the Christian Medical and Dental Society, the Catholic Medical Association, the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and the Physicians Ad Hoc Coalition for the Truth have all stated that partial-birth abortion is a dangerous practice for both mother and child.
In June, Dr. Jane Orient of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons wrote a letter to a Congressional subcommittee, noting that partial-birth abortion “has no medical indications.” Orient went on to say that the doctors in her organization “conceive of no circumstance in which it (partial-birth abortion) would be needed to save the life or preserve the health of a mother.”
Orient noted that, if a pregnant woman was suffering from a complication such as toxemia, her doctor could either perform a Caesarian section or induce labor. “The only purpose of the partial-birth abortion,” Orient wrote, “is to assure that the end of the pregnancy is accompanied by the end of the life of a child about to be born.
Contrary to claims made by the pro-abortion lobbying group NARAL, Orient points out that partial-birth abortion is not a safe practice, since it “carries the risk of maternal injury or death, as by uterine rupture or laceration and hemorrhage.”
**The Rev. Dr. Amy Butler**
I see a couple problems right there.
By the way, her “church” is and has been, a cesspool of hyperliberal theology for decades.
“By the way, her “church” is and has been, a cesspool of hyperliberal theology for decades.”
Never heard of her or her church until now...do wish you’d fill me in on it.
There is a difference between a preterm delivery and a partial-birth abortion.
In a medically-necessary preterm delivery either labor is induced or the baby is removed from the womb surgically by a C-section. Effort is still made to save both baby and mom. Even if was foreseen that the baby would die, and he or she *does* die, the child dies as a respected human being, even being carefully wrapped and held in the arms if possible.
In a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist deliberately kills the baby, usually by stabbing through its skull. It would be considered a ghastly complication if the baby lived.
The former is a sad but moral decision.
The latter is murder.
Thank you for this information. It’s not a topic I have spent much time studying, as I’m a male who is not in a relationship just now.
Paul says in Timothy women shouldn’t have authority over men in the church. Pastor Amy doesn’t listen to scripture on that topic. Makes sense she thinks a partial birth abortion (instead of inducing labor or a c-section) is a-ok.
FYI, I don’t know why men attend these type of churches.
Oh yeah, that’s one of the commonest churches there is.
So why didn't she choose to deliver the baby early? She could have held her and loved her until the natural death that she implies would have occurred.
The result would have been the same, except the baby wouldn't have had scissors plunged into her skull in the process.
Doesn't she think that might have been painful???
Love,
O2
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I meant “commie-est churches, Damn I hate autocorrect.
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