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Posted on 10/25/2016 7:35:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
Can we at least agree that a Lutheran cannot be pope? HERE
Francis yesterday continued his twisting of the One True Faith by demonstrating, once again, that Calvinist/Lutheran theology is at the core of his own false religion. All the “mercy” that Francis talks about is NOT the mercy of God, but rather a false mercy, because it is grounded in this false idea of Total Depravity. You absolutely MUST understand Total Depravity, and why it is false, if you want to make sense of how Francis operates.
First, here are the comments from yesterday: HERE
“Behind an attitude of rigidity there is always something else in the life of a person. Rigidity is not a gift of God. Meekness is; goodness is; benevolence is; forgiveness is. But rigidity isn’t!” he said.
In many cases, the Pope continued, rigidity conceals the leading of a double life; but, he pointed out, there can also be something pathological.
Commenting on the difficulties and suffering that afflict a person who is both rigid and sincere, the Pope said this is because they lack the freedom of God’s children: “they do not know how to walk in the path indicated by God’s Law”.
“They appear good because they follow the Law; but they are concealing something else: either they are hypocritical or they are sick.”
I’ve written so many times about this: Francis thinks mankind is INCAPABLE of resisting sin and living a Christian life, because he personally is completely lost in sin. He doesn’t just think it is difficult, he thinks it is impossible. Instead of renouncing sin as the path to freedom, he thinks trying to live by God’s Law takes away freedom.
Kids, this is the very definition of Total Depravity. Please go look it up. This is why the Lutherans, Calvinists, etc are not simply “variations” of a “reformed” Catholicism. No, they are a completely different religion, because they deny that men have free will. They deny that a sinful act is the result of a person making a conscience choice to do wrong, because they believe man is so utterly inclined toward sin that resisting it is futile.
Like every wretched heresy, this one is mixed with some truth to make it plausible. In this case, that men must cooperate with God’s grace on the path to salvation. Don’t be distracted by this. Of course we need to cooperate with God’s grace.
But that’s not all! Total Depravity goes even further, in claiming that even our GOOD choices are evil, because those choices are ultimately always grounded in selfishness. We simply are not capable of doing good, because even when we do good, we do so for our own interests. Our Will is not just impeded by concupiscence, but rather our Will is totally fallen, and we are not capable of choosing to love God.
So, why is this false? Because Total Depravity violates God’s perfect justice. If we truly don’t have free will, then we can’t be held responsible for our actions. It wouldn’t be fair. But we see throughout scripture that man is absolutely held accountable for his decisions. I mean, isn’t this the whole point? God created us to know, love and serve Him in this world, and be with Him forever in the next. God laid out how to know, love and serve him, and now expects us to do just that. He wouldn’t do that if we were incapable of it.
Sometimes it helps to mention that God had to make the plan of salvation simple enough for the most stupid person ever born to understand it. Otherwise, imperfect justice.
I’m out of time. Please go google some more Lutheran and Calvinist theology to further explore how unCatholic Francis really is.
I. Good works are only such as God has commanded in His holy Word, and not such as, without the warrant thereof, are devised by men, out of blind zeal, or upon any pretence of good intention.
II. These good works, done in obedience to God’s commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith: and by them believers manifest their thankfulness, strengthen their assurance, edify their brethren, adorn the profession of the Gospel, stop the mouths of the adversaries, and glorify God, whose workmanship they are, created in Christ Jesus thereunto, that, having their fruit unto holiness, they may have the end, eternal life.
III. Their ability to do good works is not at all of themselves, but wholly from the Spirit of Christ. And that they may be enabled thereunto, beside the graces they have already received, there is required an actual influence of the same Holy Spirit, to work in them to will, and to do, of His good pleasure: yet are they not hereupon to grow negligent, as if they were not bound to perform any duty unless upon a special motion of the Spirit; but they ought to be diligent in stirring up the grace of God that is in them.
IV. They who, in their obedience, attain to the greatest height which is possibly in this life, are so far from being able to supererogate, and to do more than God requires, as that they fall short of much which in duty they are bound to do.
V. We cannot by our best works merit pardon of sin, or eternal life at the hand of God, by reason of the great disproportion that is between them and the glory to come; and the infinite distance that is between us and God, whom, by them, we can neither profit, nor satisfy for the debt of our former sins, but when we have done all we can, we have done but our duty, and are unprofitable servants: and because, as they are good, they proceed from His Spirit, and as they are wrought by us, they are defiled, and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection, that they cannot endure the severity of God’s judgment.
VI. Notwithstanding, the persons of believers being accepted through Christ, their good works also are accepted in Him; not as though they were in this life wholly unblamable and unreproveable in God’s sight; but that He, looking upon them in His Son, is pleased to accept and reward that which is sincere, although accompanied with many weaknesses and imperfections.
VII. Works done by unregenerate men, although for the matter of them they may be things which God commands; and of good use both to themselves and others: yet, because they proceed not from an heart purified by faith; nor are done in a right manner, according to the Word; nor to a right end, the glory of God, they are therefore sinful and cannot please God, or make a man meet to receive grace from God: and yet, their neglect of them is more sinful and displeasing unto God.
Why do you dislike fellow Christians?
No genuine Lutheran would ever want to be pope.
So that shoots that down right there.
Thanks.
I will say this is rabbit with pancake on the head type of stuff.
Interesting insight into Bergoglianism. Amoris is built on the same notion that the moral law is impossible to obey.
Actually, Bergoglio has de-emphasized his role as “pope” right from the beginning:
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-francis-officially-de-emphasizes-papal-titles
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
It is this "sin", our original sin, our instantly reflexive iniquity, lust and uncleaness, our love of darkness, our pervasive total depravity that enslaves our will. We sin because we desperately want to sin, it's our nature.
Our will needs a new master: The Holy Spirit.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This is not what is meant by total depravity. First off, what the author originally describes and says is the "very definition" of total depravity is actually just original sin. Total depravity merely says that the sinful nature of man infects every aspect of his being. It does not say that man is as depraved as he can possibly be, certainly man is capable of and often does much good. It merely says that the sinful nature of man extends to his entire ("total") being.
Ping
That's your mam-made philosophy, and Romans 9 destroys it. Read Romans 8:28-9:24 to get the context; this is the short version:
Verse 18 is the summary of his case for election:
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
In verse 19, he anticipates your free-will argument:
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”
In verse 20, rather than debate the philosophy, he just dismisses that line of inquiry:
20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”
For once I have to agree with the Pope. If one really think they're incapable of resisting sin then simply try to live a perfect life.
The day I met Christ was the day I realized that I was a sinful creature.
Correction-If one really think they're CAPABLE of resisting sin then simply try to live a perfect life.
One difference between a non-Christian and Christian is that non-Christians realize they sin but don't care because to them it doesn't matter. Christians know they sin and know that it does matter.
Romans 9 is discussing the Jewish nation, not an individual man. Although individual Jews did believe, Paul discusses why the NATION did not.
http://evangelicalarminians.org/corporate-election-quotes/
None of which negates the depravity of man and our need for a savior.
A non-Catholic would even want to be Pope? ... Needs to be born from above and have eyes opened ...
Why not? Bergoglio did.
I thinks it’s a rabbit eating a pancake.
Where on Earth would ANYone come up with THIS idea??
Acts 15:10
Now therefore, why are you testing God, to put upon the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
Uh.... nevermind...
The whole is made of parts.
If one person sins; then the whole nation does.
Get rid of that person that drags you down.
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