Posted on 10/25/2016 7:47:21 AM PDT by ebb tide
Read verse 28 again: “28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup.” It says: “Examine yourselves”. It doesn’t say let your Bishop examine you, or let your Deacon examine you, it says “Examine yourselves”. So, since the judgement that will be meted out is a personal one, the decision to eat the bread and to drink from the cup is a personal decision.
What Kasper and others like him can do is cause a lot of people with their own agenda who love to scream and run around with their hair on fire to get their panties in a wad because that's a lot easier than doing the grunt work it takes to deal with their own Parish and the people in it to take back the Church from the pirates.
Of course, anyone who denies that Jesus Christ rules the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded can claim Kasper and Frank have changed something and for them, sure, they don't have any faith in His Church anyway so they can grant Kasper authority he doesn't have and just squirm around in their little waded up pink panties.
He can take his paradiggem and shove it.
Stick to the context. “Falling asleep” from sinning against the Lord vis a vis Communion meant DEATH. Again, how many in your church have thus DIED?
I’m a believer, so shake that dust off on someone else...please.
I didn't say it wasn't a personal decision. However, the Church is supposed to teach. It makes no sense to see someone committing self destruction and just hand them a gun. Anyone can present themselves for communion. If they go to the priest, and he knows they are persisting in mortal sin, it is his duty to withhold the bullets. If they go to anyone else distributing the Host, they will receive. That is their decision. What is being expressed here is a change to teaching authority that sin is no longer sin and there are no consequences.
This is the exact thing Jesus railed against the Pharisees about - trading the commandments of God for the traditions of men. See: Mark 7.8 (which also quotes Isa 29.13 in Mark 7.6-7)
I’m in total agreemnt with you on that
Not everything has to make sense.
A Priest does not “have a duty” to withold communion.
On bullets, we agree.
You’ll get little argument from me.
Sure, it does. We can marvel at mysteries we don't understand... but that doesn't mean they don't make sense. God reaches out to us in many ways, not the least of which is through our reason and intellect.
A Priest does not “have a duty” to withold communion.
He does if he knows for a fact that the person in front of him is obstinate in mortal sin.
Well, get used to that change to teaching authority thing continuing! We are eleven months away from the Revelation 12:1-2 great sign in the heavens. Got to prepare the deceived for the Harlot with “Mystery Babylon” written on her. Don’t be deceived! Be a victor!
Revelation 17
7 The angel said to me, “Why are you amazed? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, the beast with the seven heads and the ten horns.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/17
Revelation 2
7 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.”’
- - - - -
11 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
The victor shall not be harmed by the second death.”’
17 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white amulet upon which
is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the one who receives it.”’
- - - - -
24 But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not uphold this teaching and
know nothing of the so-called deep secrets of Satan: on you I will place no further burden,
25 except that you must hold fast to what you have until I come.
26 “’”To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
27 He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
28 just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.
29 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
- - - - -
Revelation 3
4 However, you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments;
they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.
5 “’”The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name
from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my
Father and of his angels.
6 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
- - - - -
20 “’”Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and
opens the door, [then] I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.
21 I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself
first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.
22 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”
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* [2:7] Victor: referring to any Christian individual who holds fast to the faith
and does God’s will in the face of persecution. The tree of life that is in the
garden of God: this is a reference to the tree in the primeval paradise (Gn 2:9);
cf. Rev 22:2, 14, 19. The decree excluding humanity from the tree of life has
been revoked by Christ.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/2
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/3
If marriages cannot be dissolved by the Church (and they can’t), then everyone who divorces and remarries is in a state of adultery.
Adultery is a mortal sin, and you can’t receive Communion in a state of mortal sin—because you then commit the additional sin of sacrilege.
If the priest knows someone fits the above description, yes, he's supposed to withhold communion.
I am in a similar situation. I am not divorced, but I am a second marriage for my husband. Sometimes I am so sad about it. My husband is a non-baptized, not-really church goer, who happened to marry a catholic the first time around. I keep praying, because I can’t do the annulment stuff for him. I will be praying for you, too. I know it’s not easy.
I don’t recall Jesus saying those words...
The Catholic church long ago abandoned Christ and embraced humans as the deliverer of gospel. This latest liberal pope proves it.
Catholics are Christians and they deserve better leadership.
Oh I remember now...
Jesus said “Do this in momory of me, in accordance with U.S. Bishop’s Guidelines: No Communion For Sexually Active Divorced & Remarried, Cohabiting, and Gay Couples”
Has a nice ring to it
Matt 18:17 If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.My Bible shows the Church does have authority over its members to shepherd and reprove them. Yours?Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
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