Posted on 10/05/2016 6:35:12 AM PDT by Gamecock
Foolishness.
The gospel is “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures...”
“At least one MS copy of the original Hebrew Matthew is known to exist at the Vatican.”
Nope. 1) If there were a Hebrew copy of the “original Hebrew Matthew” one would need to have either an explicit statement in the text saying so or the actual original to know that. 2) What the Vatican has in regard to Hebrew manuscripts of the Gospels is universally known to NOT BE ANCIENT enough to be a copy of any Hebrew original: http://cbcat.abcat.cat/pdf/CasanellasP-HamesH_HebrewGospelsTranslatedFromCatalan.pdf
“Many others are found in Europe, and two are at the Hebrew University.”
No, actually none have been found. There is no proof in mss. form of a copy of a Hebrew original that is ancient. NONE.
“Stomp your little feet, plug your ears, and go LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, all you wish.”
I’m not doing any of that. I’m simply relying on the known evidence. Again, read the article I linked to. I have evidence. You have nothing. You’re the one stomping your little feet, plugging your ears, and generally just getting things wrong as usual.
“28 separate complete MS, and one partial MS is “none?””
Absolutely - since NONE OF THEM are ancient and no original exists to compare them to. Yes, none is NONE.
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That post smacks of dishonesty!
There are no “originals” to compare any NT MS to!
The Hebrew Matthew MS are consistent, and scattered well enough to be far more reliable that any of the existing Greek translations of the original Hebrew Matthew are.
The Greek translations are definitely not consistent, either.
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NONE. You’re still stuck with NONE. When you find one come back.
So; you actually have no evidence.
Then you MUST have a link to this 'evidence'; right?
A worthy plan of action.
Hold this thought.
But; but...
...you just said there ARE!
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To: vladimir998
. Many others are found in Europe, and two are at the Hebrew University. Stomp your little feet, plug your ears, and go LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, all you wish. 138 posted on 10/10/2016 6:26:24 PM by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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You quote a nut case, and then blame me?
Or are you just not reading my post correctly?
Obviously there are at least 29 MS copies or portions thereof of the original Matthew, which was written in the native Hebrew language of the Cohen, Matthew.
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Do you just not understand the difference between an original and a copy of an original?
You do seem to have this kind of difficulty often.
I stand accused; and rightly so. Since I usually dismiss just about everything that Vlad types, I assumed this was from you, since there were no indentifying quotes or italics to show that YOU were getting it from somewhere else.
My mistake; and I apologize.
Now then; where is the link to the EVIDENCE of these 29 items you seem to know about?
Oh; I do!
I just need to see some evidence that the 'copy of an original' has some identifying marks on it to prove (if not that, then suggest) that is NOT a 'copy' of a third hand writing.
For the record I’ve been to Andy Stanley’s church numerous times. The guy is the best Pastor I have come across, and I’ve been to many churches.
Andy Stanley is the reason why I went from being Agnostic to surrendering to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Although it was a slow metamorphosis that took me 7 years. Believe me I was extremely skeptical and asked about every tough question you can think.
Prior to me giving my heart to Jesus I was just like anyone else. When someone would talk to me about it... I always thought iwell that’s nice, wishful thinking or wow they really believe that in their own mind. It was not until I surrendered my heart to Jesus that I realized how real it was.
If you have not really surrender to Christ, then everything will more or less remain the same. However, if you do surrender to Jesus, then your life will change forever and for the better. Only you will know if you have in your heart. It’s A LOT MORE, than just saying it. . Don’t just say it..., feel it your heart and mean it. This does not mean you will not sin. You always will, but you will view it differently.
Give it a try. It will be the best decision you ever make. .
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Thus you do not accept any of the Greek MS, since none of them meet that condition?
Or are you just playing your normal childish game?
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