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One Of The Best Things You Can Do For Yourself & Others Is Think About and Preach Hell
Barnhardt ^ | June 9, 2016 | Ann Barnhardt

Posted on 06/09/2016 5:17:47 PM PDT by SGNA

One Of The Best Things You Can Do For Yourself & Others Is Think About and Preach Hell

I have been reading some meditations on Hell by Venerable Luis de la Puente. I have found them to be most helpful, and if I may, I would like to explain some of them to you in the hopes that it will help you and yours.

Hell, as with heaven, has been depicted in such a way as to make it seem banal. What is your conception of hell right now before you read this? Fire? Burning? Demons poking you with sticks? Complete solitude? Sadness? Boredom? Nothingness? Annihilation?

Oh, it is so very, very much worse than any of that.

First, if you end up damned, you will hate with an ever-increasing hatred and rage EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. You will hate everyone else that is in hell with you, and you will hate everyone on earth (as long as it lasts), and you will hate everyone and everything in Heaven, including all people, angels and God Himself.

And everyone in hell will hate you with the same ever-growing hatred, and will express it to you forever.

Let’s hone in on this. Do you have children or grandchildren? Beloved nieces and nephews? If you end up in hell, you will be in proximity to your damned family members, and they will hate you and curse you for all eternity. They will blame you for NOT HELPING THEM AVOID HELL. And you will hate them right back. You will curse and despise them, because damned souls, having rejected God, who is Love, have therefore rejected love and are thus incapable of anything other than anger, hatred, jealousy and fear. There is no love in hell. Zero.

So, think about your children, or grandchildren, or nieces and nephews. Think about how much you love them right now, and how inconceivable it is that you could ever hate them. If you go to hell, and they also go to hell, you will spend all eternity hating them, and they you.

You should be utterly terrified by the very thought, and you should be now, as we speak, figuring out how to avoid this – by any means necessary. NOTHING in this would could possibly, possibly be more important than this.

Now, let’s say that you make it to heaven, but your children are lost to hell. You will spend all of eternity rejoicing in God’s Perfect Justice, and thus rejoicing in the damnation of your children. Now stop and think about your children and how much you love them right now. Think about the sheer terror of ever, ever rejoicing in their eternal damnation. And yes, it is completely and entirely appropriate to be, right now, terrified at the thought of this, even though it is God’s Perfect Justice, precisely because the question is still open.

Just because God, being outside of time and omniscient, already knows the fate of every soul DOES NOT mean that we aren’t all free to choose. God knows what you are going to eat for dinner tomorrow night, but you will still be completely free to choose what you have for dinner. God knows what you will freely choose simply because He can see the entire timeline simultaneously. Likewise He knows our eternal fates now, but we are still free to make those choices and thus form the timeline. He knew from all eternity that you would read this essay, right now. He also knows how you will react to it, by your own free choice. So, it is entirely appropriate for you, right now, to be horrified and the prospect of rejoicing in the damnation of your children, because it is precisely in that horror that you might freely choose to do anything and everything in your power to keep your children from being lost to hell while the both of you still live.

Let’s take the example of two people who are fornicating with each other. And to make it as confrontational as possible, let’s make it between a heterosexual couple: two normal, attractive single people – a totally straight man and a completely straight woman – who “love each other” and have sex. After all, we are being saturated in relativism, and we are ALL tempted to believe that male-female fornication is “no big deal” or “not nearly as bad” as the freak show of perversion and sodomy that we see all day every day now.

If our “happy couple” die in the mortal sin of their fornication, both will go to hell, and will be in close proximity to each other, and will spend all of eternity hating and cursing each other for leading each other to hell. Oh, and by the way, this goes for people in the adulterous “marriages” that Bergoglio is so desperately trying to convince them are not sinful.

“But, but, but…” you might say, “…they don’t hate each other now. They LOVE each other now!”

First, they sure as hell won’t love each other when they are both in hell, will they? Not only will they hate each other, but instead of being a consolation, they will be a torment to each other – because there are absolutely no consolations in hell. None.

Second, do two people, no matter how happy, normal and benign, who are FORNICATING really love each other? Really? REALLY? The answer is no. If they really loved each other, they wouldn’t BE ABLE to fornicate with each other, because the thought of causing or cooperating in mortal sin with the other person would be completely off the table, that is, morally impossible. Yeah, we sure throw the word “love” around, don’t we?

Oh, and the damned will be in close proximity to ALL of the people that they have fornicated with who also end up damned. And all of their family members and friends who are also damned. And all of the damned will curse each other for not helping them avoid damnation, or for actively tempting, scandalizing and encouraging them in their sin.

Now, if one of our fornicators repents and dies in friendship with Christ – let’s say the guy – but the girl does not, then the guy will spend all eternity rejoicing in her damnation. Are you fornicating? Do you have even the slightest shred of care for the person you are fornicating with? Then what you need to do is think about rejoicing in their damnation. Imagine you (the guy) make it to heaven, and they (the girl) don’t. Look into their eyes, and imagine rejoicing at their damnation. And keep thinking about it until your erection goes away. (And same idea for the females, of course.)

Which brings us to priests and clergy. For those that end up damned, they will be eternally hated, cursed and tormented by all of the souls that they failed. And the damned priests and clergy will hate their flock right back. For. All. Eternity.

Which brings us to Jorge Bergoglio.

Can you imagine… CAN. YOU. IMAGINE what hell will be like for him if he doesn’t repent of all of this and revert to Catholicism? I have been praying for his repentance and reversion all along, but I’m REALLY feeling it now after reading these meditations on hell.

Additionally, it occurred to me in all of this that those instances in our lives in which we have been hated and attacked, most especially by people that we love, even by Diabolical Narcissists, are really a merciful opportunity for us to experience a foretaste of hell, and be scared to death by it. I have seen DNs, consumed with anger, hatred, jealousy and fear, bare their teeth, contort their otherwise resplendent countenances, and RAGE, hurling the most vile obscenities with the intent of inflicting as much pain and torment as possible. I have seen the face of human damnation, and I never want to see it again, or become that myself.

Have you ever been hissed, cursed and raged at by a friend, spouse, parent, child, coworker, priest? Do you remember how horrible that felt? Well, that is what hell will be like, except infinitely and ever-increasingly worse and for all eternity – because yes, infinity can increase. And you will be just as monstrous, hissing and cursing just like them if you end up damned too.

So think about these realities, and then do anything and everything you possibly can to help yourself, those you love, those you hate, and other people in general to NOT GO TO HELL, because it is far, far, far worse than anything any of us can now imagine.

If after reading and thinking about what you have just read here, if you still genuinely do not care if other people go to heaven or hell, and still genuinely feel that other people are “not my circus, not my monkeys”, then may I suggest that you visit THIS PAGE.

I know I say this a lot, but I REALLY, REALLY hope this helps.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: annbarnhardt; barnhardt; death; heavenhell; hell; life
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To: Talisker

The overwhelming love of the true redeemer generates something else entirely. :)


21 posted on 06/09/2016 7:47:48 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Talisker

Because I’m curious why you would characterize Barnhardt’s writings as being full of rage rather than righteous anger. Do you disagree that she is correct to be angry about the things she describes in her writings? They are pretty much the same sorts of things that Freepers, and any sane American, are angry about.


22 posted on 06/09/2016 7:59:42 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Falconspeed

All analogies and metaphors have their failings.

The strength of an “itch” as a metaphor is that it is something common, the pleasure at scratching at one likewise and so too the frustration of one beyond reach.

That itches can be inflamed as you scratch at them is likewise useful.

But of course this was just a metaphor useful to introduce both the ideas of frustration and satiation.

The idea of a sin nature is naturally as diverse as what sins so easily entangle men, and here we must admit that not all men are drawn to all sins.

Years ago Jummy Carter said something that led to people mocking him, he said that he had lusted after women.

Yet from a scriptural standpoint what he said was entirely correct about the struggle with sin ... it is not just visceral doing but a matter of what is demanding you obey it. For someone listening to the Holy Spirit the struggle will be against the thing in the mind, the thing wanting us to obey it and not the Holy Spirit.

Now ...

... about purgatory ...

... it is not mentioned in scripture and I find no basis for purgatory.

Disclaimer: herein, towards the end of this post, I’ll refer to abuses of views, not just to merely agreeing with them. When you see something indicated that is presented an abuse of a view, please understand that I’m talking about the abuse of same and not merely holding the view. I’m hoping what I wrote was clear enough, but I came back and inserted this disclaimer just in case it wasn’t ... after all, it’s a poor writer who blames his reader.

That addition said....

Heaven is mentioned. Hell is mentioned. So why would no one mention purgatory if it were needed to be known about?

What Christ has done is sufficent to present the elect to Himself as without blemish. He did not say on the cross that it was mostly done.

When the redeemed pass out of this life the old body of death, in which the desire for sin resides, is removed. All that remains is the nature that is in accordance with the Holy Spirit ... what need is there for that to suffer?

I realize that there is the objection of unconfessed sins; however, if someone were unrepentant they are not saved, not that they are mostly saved. A supposedly repentant person can have sin that they are unaware of, or somehow do not realize is sin, but when made aware of them how they respond will give the evidence for if they were ever saved to begin with.

Briefly (too late, I know), consider the idea that men can be dealing with sins in their own strength rather than relying on the strength which God supplies. In essence, because it’s moral, telling God “I got this.”

Yet as I said, we men have a holiness problem, not merely a moral one and working in our own strength is a way to produce false fruit in that it isn’t fruit of the Spirit.

It’s all a matter of Whom or who is really at work.

So when someone who has been dealing with a sin themselves, rather than turning this over to God, comes to the point that God turns them over to that sin there are two possible responses, and a very bad third.

The first is that they finally are brought to an end of themselves and they truly repent, confirming that they were saved to begin with because this result is possible only by His grace. Peter denying Christ, even though his pride in his own righteousness demanded he never would, is an example of someone being sifted like wheat and of the response of a repentant man.

The second possibility is that the person, who was never really saved, falls away and does not return.

The third very bad option is that the worldling comes back into the congregation and starts insisting that the saints compromise with him and agree that what he does is really okay. In doing so he helps others reveal that they too are unrepentant because they follow after him. This end result is like that mentioned in Romas 1:18-32 which begins because people do not retain the knowledge of God and end up either embracing or enjoining/supporting perversions and wickedness of all sorts ...all while patting themselves on the back, no doubt, that they are good people.

There is no need for purgatory in the one good sort of instance and no function for it in the existence of the lost in the other “two” instances (they are really the same, just a practical worldly difference separates them).

That’s why I don’t think purgatory is a valid proposition.

It is not mentioned. I serves no function.

The protest that those who do not believe in purgatory may think they’re getting away with something (because: grace) is not relevant. If someone got baptized, as one fellow once said to me, “just in case” all they got was wet.

God is not mocked ... people may convince themselves of things that just are not true for a cause and still what they think doesn’t make it so.

It doesn’t matter if what they are convincing themselves of for a cause was easy believism with no real repentance or the opposing abuse, which I would not accuse you of so please don’t think I’m doing so, they can sin and still be okay after a relatively short while in purgatory (you must have met folks like this as well as the “just in case” crowd).

Please let me be clear: here I’m talking about people who latch onto ideas for reasons and causes that are their own, separate from what they may seem to latch onto.

Neither believing in purgatory nor not believing in purgatory is a matter of repentance ... but choosing to use some idea as pretext for not repenting at all is very much a matter of repentance. So in this last bit I’ve been referring to those who seek to abuse an idea, either unmerited grace or if there is purgatory, and not those who only consider an idea valid in good conscience.


23 posted on 06/09/2016 8:17:09 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ebb tide

Did anything I write actually indicate such?

I flatly, explicitly accept both exist. They are very real.

What I was disagreeing on was the idea that people in Hell will be permitted to get worse and worse, to continue sinning even if just becoming little balls of hate as described by the OP article.


24 posted on 06/09/2016 8:20:07 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ebb tide

I seem to recall a whole series of novels about Hell as a place where sinners can keep on just as they’ve always wanted to. According to friends who read them they had a whole hellish society where people had ambitions and even waged wars.


25 posted on 06/09/2016 8:29:50 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SGNA

Yet the Bible would have us preach the Good News of the New Covenant..........


26 posted on 06/10/2016 2:24:04 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
"Yet the Bible would have us preach the Good News of the New Covenant........."

And to do that effectively you often have to show people why they need a savior - ie. show them what they are being saved from.

27 posted on 06/10/2016 6:48:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
"Yet the Bible would have us preach the Good News of the New Covenant........." And to do that effectively you often have to show people why they need a savior - ie. show them what they are being saved from.

True - the Bible also explains that under the Old Covenant.

We asked for the Commandments and He said, "if you insist" and sin grew throughout the world.

There's nothing wrong with talking about the alternative to accepting Jesus but He and His loving sacrifice are the real news that needs to be preached. Focusing on the consequences has a history of turning people away because all the "fire and brimstone" messaging makes folks feel like they are already doomed so what the heck....too many who carry the message of Hell forget to mention that they too are sinners and only redeemed through His Grace. Being preached to by those who often set themselves above the fray has negative consequences.

28 posted on 06/10/2016 9:21:38 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SGNA
I think the worst part of Hell would be the knowledge that we did it to ourselves. As someone has put it, the ultimate tragedy is not to have been a saint.
29 posted on 06/10/2016 5:35:24 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Exactly.


30 posted on 06/10/2016 6:05:39 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: Rurudyne

I acknowledge and accept your reasoning. I admire your thoroughness.

St. Thomas says that all heresies are caused by fuzziness with one relation: that between Father and Holy Spirit.

Keep up the good work.


31 posted on 06/13/2016 11:35:15 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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