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Damian Thompson asks: “Is the Pope Catholic?”
Fr. Z' Blog | June 6, 2016 | Fr. John Zuhlsdor

Posted on 06/06/2016 11:22:30 AM PDT by ebb tide

At Heat Street, Damian Thompson asks: “Is the Pope Catholic?”

That site is a mess to read, so let’s see some of it here. My emphases and comments:

Is the Pope Catholic? Here’s Why Many of Pope Francis Flock Aren’t Sure

Pope Francis, we learned this week, will take part in a service next year to celebrate a great moment in Christian history.

The Reformation.

Yes, you read that right. ‘Pope celebrates Reformation’ sounds like an Onion headline, but it’s actually going to happen – when Francis travels to Sweden next year to mark the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s first furious broadside against Rome. [Here’s one Catholic who won’t be celebrating the Reformation. I’ll be flipping to the back of my Missale Romanum for Votive Masses Pro fide propagatione, and ad tollendum schisma and contra persecutores Ecclesiae….]

Liberal Catholics, liberal Protestants and the secular media will cheer when he does so. They will drown out the groans of traditional Catholics for whom this is yet another feelgood stunt by a pope who isn’t interested in theology. [That doesn’t sound like an unqualified “Huzzah!”, does it?]

And only the very sharp-eared will hear the rattle of decapitated skeletons – both Catholic and Protestant – turning in their graves.

The Reformation jamboree will pay lip service to the ‘tragedy’ of the 16th-century martyrs. But if those bones could speak, I suspect they’d say the real tragedy is the spectacle of Catholic, Lutheran and Anglican leaders glossing over the doctrines for which they died.

One thing is for sure. Benedict XVI, if he were still pope, wouldn’t be throwing himself into the Reformation festivities. Indeed, it’s hard to think of anything Francis has done that his retired predecessor really approves of.

‘Exactly!’ say Francis’s millions of admirers. ‘Benedict was a dinosaur who tried to turn the clock back. Francis is sweeping out the Vatican stables. He’s making Catholicism more compassionate. And did you see him with George Clooney?’

At which point I’m the one letting out a groan, together with lots of Catholics who, like me, were initially charmed by the Argentinian pontiff’s laid-back style.

Let’s get one thing straight. Pope Francis is not a ‘great reformer’, as one sycophantic biographer dubbed him. He’s pushed through just one overdue reform – simplifying the church’s marriage annulment procedures. [The annulment thing… oh boy, don’t get me started. However, were Francis to accomplish only a financial reform of the Curia, that would be something noteworthy for a pontificate.]

His other ‘reforms’ never happened and aren’t going to. [… not sure which he means here…]

That’s because Francis has a bad habit of hinting at big changes to Catholic teaching (especially on sexual morality) that he never gets round to proposing – either because he knows his bishops don’t support them or because he hasn’t made up his own mind how far he wants to go.

To add to the confusion, sometimes he gets over-excited during one of his mid-flight interviews and lets slip a remark that implies, accidentally, that he favours changes that he actually opposes.

For example: ‘Who am I to judge?’ [That phrase has caused a lot of confusion, hasn’t it?] The Pope was explaining that gay people who didn’t have sex or had repented shouldn’t be judged. But he was chatting away carelessly, so the journalists thought he was giving the green light to homosexual relationships.

The other thing they overlooked was the question Francis had been asked – about his friend Mgr Battista Ricca, a Vatican official who’d allegedly been trapped in a lift with a rent boy.

Ricca has been accused of many scandalous indiscretions. But he’s kept his job. Francis’s allies tend not to be ‘judged’ and, as a result, the Vatican stables are as dirty as ever. Shockingly, the Pope invited Cardinal Godfried Danneels, who had covered up family sex abuse by a Belgian bishop, to a Vatican Synod on the family last year.

That synod had the unenviable task of trying to clear up the biggest mess created by any pope for decades[whew] – over the ultra-sensitive issue of whether divorced and remarried Catholics can receive communion.

Francis wanted to relax the rules. But, typically, he didn’t set out any theological arguments and the synod voted against change.

His response? A long document, Amoris Laetitia, which dodged the question but mused incoherently about mortal sins not being mortal sins. Asked about a puzzling footnote, Francis said he couldn’t remember what was in it.

Was he serious? We don’t know, but last week it was revealed that some of the most controversial bits of Amoris Laetitia had been lifted from articles written a decade ago by a third-rate Argentinian theologian, Archbishop Victor Fernandez, [a little strange] who just happens to be an old friend of Francis.

“Is the Pope a Catholic?” asked orthodox Catholics, only half-jokingly. To which the answer is, of course, yes: the former Jorge Bergoglio is a man passionately devoted to Jesus and Mary who, in his own eccentric way, is trying to be loyal to the Church.

The problem is that, although his beliefs are (relatively) orthodox, he is behaving like a befuddled Anglican Primate who is too busy charming the media with quirky quotes to attend to the duties of his office. [ouch]

Or, to put it another way, the Pope may be a Catholic – but it’s beginning to look as if the cardinals made a terrible mistake when they decided that this particular Catholic should be a pope.

Okay, that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement from Damian.

However, I will interject a couple thoughts.

First, Popes can surprise, as Paul VI did – clearly guided by the Holy Spirit – in the matter of Humanae vitae.

Also, this Pope might be Nixon, to the SSPX’s China, if you get my drift. He could be the one to reconcile them. Why? Because he is interested in what the SSPX will bring to the wider Church by their integration? No. Because… who knows why? But it would be a huge feather in his cap. If he can celebrate with Lutherans, he can celebrated with the SSPX.

Have I turned on the comment moderation queue? You bet I have!


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: francischurch; frz; popefrancis; religiousleft
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Seems like even Fr. Z even disapproves of Humble Jorges' planned commemoration of Luther's revolt.

P.S. to Father Z: Humanae Vitae should not have been a surprise to any faithful Catholic.

1 posted on 06/06/2016 11:22:30 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

It’s high time to start asking some basic questions about this pope. Who are his greatest influences. Which psalms does he use to inspire him? Assuming that the pope is familiar with The Book of Psalms.


2 posted on 06/06/2016 11:26:03 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: ebb tide

Luther wasn’t originally planning a revolt. He was just trying to put an end to plenary indulgences...which the RCC eventually gave up on anyway.


3 posted on 06/06/2016 11:29:33 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: ebb tide

No. He does kissy-face with bearded savages. He says izlam is the same as Christianity. He says the kooran is the same as the Bible. He favors importing savages who hate Christianity.


4 posted on 06/06/2016 11:32:01 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: ebb tide

Wrong question.

The Question “Fr. Z.” should be asking is

“Is it possible for a non-Catholic to be pope?”

That question was answered long ago by the infallible magisterium, prior to the council of “the smoke of Satan”(V2). However, Fr. Z. in spite of his traditional trappings, hasn’t yet come to respect that level of authority.


5 posted on 06/06/2016 11:33:09 AM PDT by Repent and Believe ("...to neglect to confound evil men...is no less a sin than to encourage them." Pope St. Felix III)
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To: I want the USA back

6 posted on 06/06/2016 11:33:10 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

btw, that photo is photoshopped


7 posted on 06/06/2016 11:33:59 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: MeganC

You are misinformed.


8 posted on 06/06/2016 11:41:54 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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One thing is for sure. Benedict XVI, if he were still pope, wouldn’t be throwing himself into the Reformation festivities.

Why is that for sure, Damian? Has Benedict expressed any opposition to Francis' upcoming celebration of Luther's revolt? As Cardinal Ratzinger, he signed off on the heretical Augsburg Accord.

Cardinal Ratzinger refused to attend JP II's first love feast at Assisi for very good reasons. He later weakened and attended Assisi II. And in 2011, Pope Benedict convened his own Assisi III.

9 posted on 06/06/2016 11:42:41 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: RummyChick

Well duh of course it is someone circled his horns showing in the shadow


10 posted on 06/06/2016 11:47:29 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom yes I know john 3:16)
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To: ebb tide
Yes, he is.

Remember for almost 1800 years the HRCC literally burned people alive just for owning and reading The Bible!

I must have missed that part of the sermon on the mount, where The Savior blessed the murderers in his name.

That behavior and sanctioning is not unlike that of the false prophet, and his followers.

11 posted on 06/06/2016 11:48:57 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: ebb tide
Not so anyone would notice!
 photo pope copy_zps4m3jhlz6.jpg

12 posted on 06/06/2016 11:49:24 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: lee martell

This pope is not a catholic....he’s a communist who pretends to be a catholic.


13 posted on 06/06/2016 12:02:04 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: pbear8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses


14 posted on 06/06/2016 12:05:50 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Communist influences. Sad, but very likely true. Never thought I’d say that about a modern day “Catholic” Pope.


15 posted on 06/06/2016 12:06:13 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: rawcatslyentist
Remember for almost 1800 years the HRCC literally burned people alive just for owning and reading The Bible!

That's news to me. Who owned bibles 1800 years ago? How old is yours?

16 posted on 06/06/2016 12:08:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Remember for almost 1800 years the HRCC literally burned people alive just for owning and reading The Bible!

Practically every word of that sentence is wrong.

17 posted on 06/06/2016 12:16:58 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: MeganC

To this day a plenary indulgence may be obtained under the usual conditions.


18 posted on 06/06/2016 12:19:51 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: ebb tide
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19 posted on 06/06/2016 12:39:17 PM PDT by shortstop (Why is the worst Pope of my lifetime serving at the same time as the worst President of my lifetime?)
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To: ebb tide

Bears “do it” on the roads and trails more so than in the woods.


20 posted on 06/06/2016 12:49:01 PM PDT by GingisK
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