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German Jesuit Says Catholic Church Should Fight for Homosexuality as a Human Right
OnePeter5 ^ | 6/1/16 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 06/01/2016 6:35:28 PM PDT by marshmallow

On 25 May 2015, the official website of the German bishops, katholisch.de, reported on an interview given by the notable German Jesuit, Father Klaus Mertes. In his interview, originally given to the German newspaper, taz, Mertes claims that it took the Catholic Church in the West 200 years to get “where we are now” with regard to the question of homosexuality. He continues: “In Africa or South East Asia, people are still at a very different point. The fight for the rights of the homosexuals is a world-wide project for which it is thus worth remaining in the Church.” In order to make the way free to a new assessment of homosexuality, Mertes proposes that the Magisterium “reflect upon sexual morality in light of charity, and not in light of a notion of nature which considers the marital act in an isolated way, without taking into account the different [sic] contexts.” In his eyes, Catholic sexual morality “is stuck in a fixation.”

This is an argument that was to be found repeatedly, if less explicitly, during the recent discussions surrounding the synods on marriage and the family, namely: to separate the marital act from its procreative aspect. If the marital act is not morally bound to the procreation of new life, homosexuality, so some think, could more easily come to be considered not really sinful. For example, the well-known German theologian Stephan Goertz proposed in 2015:

In biblical times, says the theologian [Goertz], “procreation was the first God-given purpose of sexuality.” At that time, “sexuality had as its first purpose to secure the survival of the people”; however, “that is obviously not any more our situation, and that, since the [Second Vatican] Council, it has also not been any more our own moral teaching on sexuality.”

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To: jsanders2001
"The fight for the rights of the homosexuals is a world-wide project for which it is thus worth remaining in the Church."

Using the Church purely as an anti-Church organizing tool. Asked why, although she comprehensively rejected Catholic teachings, she stayed in the Catholic Church, Rosemary Ruether answered, "That's where the copying machines are."

21 posted on 06/01/2016 7:13:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (If they live by the Koran, I don't want them to live by me.)
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To: G Larry

Bingo.


22 posted on 06/01/2016 7:14:02 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (<<<<<<< he no longer IS my 'teddy bear'.)
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To: marshmallow

This Jesuit is pure EVIL.


23 posted on 06/01/2016 7:16:09 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: marshmallow

Like I always say to these types.. If you don’t want to follow the rules, don’t be Catholic.


24 posted on 06/01/2016 7:17:57 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: Heart-Rest

That too!


25 posted on 06/01/2016 7:42:40 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Note that international celebrity Charles Curran instantly became “Charles Who?” when he was booted out of Catholic University and went to teach in a Protestant school—in Alabama, IIRC.

The Post-Vatican II Popes—ALL of them—will live in infamy for the chaos they tolerated, while they wrung their hands and appointed a never-ending torrent of heretical, unchaste bishops. And JPII was as bad on this score as Paul VI.


26 posted on 06/01/2016 8:05:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: marshmallow

didn’t the Catholic Church invent it ?


27 posted on 06/01/2016 8:06:20 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Shark24

Please report back and ping me to your post when you do ( if you don’t mind).


28 posted on 06/01/2016 8:13:32 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: marshmallow

German Jesuit, Father Klaus Mertes

29 posted on 06/01/2016 8:17:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity?)
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To: marshmallow
The Church is in a dreadful state in Belgium, Switzerland, Germany and Austria. The lavender mafia is emboldened now and has pretty much taken over. There's no longer any fear of disciplinary action from the hierarchy, many of whom are actually fomenting the chaos.

The empty churches in those countries show how little the folks listen to the Church. The clergy can blow bubbles through their bottoms, that won't get the Belgians, Swiss, Germans or Austrians to go back to the "faith of their forefathers."
Just an opinion.

30 posted on 06/01/2016 8:43:44 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: avenir

Yes, I think it may even merit a rare “vanity” post for me. Will see. Since I am in the Middle East right now working some aerospace stuff and working in a Sharia land already, I may have some interesting observations.


31 posted on 06/01/2016 9:52:13 PM PDT by Shark24 (.)
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To: marshmallow

*** her attitude toward them fast enough: “I have respect for that, when homosexual persons say that and, therefore, come to leave the Church,”***

He needs to take his own advice and take his queer self and leave!

So he wants the church to look at an abomination to God in the light of charity.

Did God show charity to Sodom and Gomorrah? I didn’t think so.


32 posted on 06/01/2016 9:56:45 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: marshmallow
I have a question for my Catholic brethren.

If the church did change its doctrine, say the Pope spoke ex cathedra on the subject, could it be changed back with a new Pope.

Assuming an orthodox one was elected.

33 posted on 06/02/2016 10:40:57 AM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Is there anywhere where the Church isn’t in a dreadful state?


34 posted on 06/02/2016 12:07:26 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: chesley
The rule is that if a pope or anyone else tried to change Catholic doctrine handed down to them by Christ, then the pope would be an obvious heretic, thus not a Catholic.

If the pope was not a Catholic, then in no way could he be the vicar of Christ, standing in for Christ as earthly head of Christ's Church, because it is impossible to be head of a body of which one is not a member himself.

The Vatican Council of 1870 in defining infallibility was firm that the charism adhered to the OFFICE of the Papacy. If an individual was to sin against the Faith as a private person, then BY HIS OWN ACT, he would fall from the Office of the papacy.

As for all the bozos since 1958, they have all been formal heretics BEFORE being elected so their elections were null and void from the start and they never possessed the Office. In the history of the Church there has never been a valid pope who became a formal heretic after being elected but if that were to happen they would fall from the Office by their own act of sin against the Faith.

Roman Catholic Church citations affirming this from another thread

35 posted on 06/02/2016 8:07:53 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: SGNA

Thank you. that was very informative and interesting to me.:)


36 posted on 06/03/2016 5:50:10 AM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: chesley
I'm glad it proved useful. If anything, the real Catholic Church is very clear and reasonable in Her presentations - as opposed to the "Vatican-2 edifice' profuse in PC gobbledy-gook - or worse.

Here is a good resource for following the daily travails out of the 'occupied Vatican', plus it has sound background material as well on the site. If you are interested in any other resources, just ask.

Novus Ordo Watch news wire

37 posted on 06/03/2016 1:26:44 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: SGNA

Thanks very much


38 posted on 06/03/2016 1:43:38 PM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: SGNA
Thanks for the link. Most interesting.

As a Baptist, I share an aversion to ecumenicism, although from the other side, and perhaps for different reasons. Still, food for thought.

39 posted on 06/03/2016 5:08:09 PM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: chesley
I understand. As opposed to their phony ecumenical ploy, in reality just as the political sphere has been so terrible in recent years it has sometimes spawned unlikely allies seeking truth, troubles in the religious sphere will do the same.

Their sole intent is on purposely destroying the Church, just as Zero's is on destroying the USA, and in the religious sphere, the best way to do that is to pretend to embrace ecumenism in a Rodney King style: "can't we all just get along". It is nothing but a tool to achieve their goal. In reality, they believe in nothing.

As a result, web sites tend to report on and counterpunch to the daily opening jab. That and attempt to bolster their followers to hang in there.

Here is one with more of a general devotional slant and also one with a fairly complete list of papal writings by author for the last couple centuries. One has to know what one is looking for however. After these recent blathering raving imbeciles I would at least like to show that they are aberrations and not indicative of the whole.

Traditional Catholic

Papal documents

As an example, one by Pope Pius XII in 1956 on Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus

...as opposed to the heretical writings of Ratzinger who attempted to cast doubts on Christ's bodily Resurrection from the dead.

Another by Pope Pius XI in 1937 condemning Atheistic Communism

...as opposed to the current daily utterances by non-pope Marx.

40 posted on 06/03/2016 9:34:15 PM PDT by SGNA
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