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Three of the Oldest Images of Jesus
Aletelial ^ | May 14, 2016 | Daniel Esparza

Posted on 05/14/2016 4:50:18 AM PDT by NYer

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To: SatinDoll
The earliest Christians were Jewish and they had no tradition of human forms in their religion.

Recently a synagogue was excavated in Syria (from BC era) that had biblical scenes with human and angelic figures painted on its walls. So at least some Jews did depict humans at their place of worship.

Ancient Church Tradition says that St Luke "wrote" the first icons as a means of instruction and a refutation of the heresy that Christ was not really a man (as well as fully God).

41 posted on 05/14/2016 6:52:45 PM PDT by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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To: NYer
Christ makes the traditional teacher’s gesture with his right hand...

A quibble, that is not a "traditional teacher's gesture," it is a depiction of the two natures of Christ- the two fingers together - and the Holy Trinity - the three fingers touching. Orthodox make the sign of the Cross with their fingers held in this same manner.

A notable feature of this icon is that the two sides of Christ's face are different; this shows His two natures.

42 posted on 05/14/2016 6:58:04 PM PDT by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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To: NYer; Alamo-Girl; albee; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; Angelas; AniGrrl; annalex; annyokie; ...
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43 posted on 05/14/2016 9:45:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: johniegrad; vladimir998
How many thousands of times has this been repeated on FR and still people just keep mindlessly repeating the same, tired old mantra about "idol worship".

Over the past several months I have slowly come to the realization that for the most part Catholics seek to build the kingdom of God through prayer, spiritual reading, spiritual and corporal works of mercy, etc....

While at the same time there is a dedicated cadre of anti-Catholics Haunt these threads attempting to tear down the truth the Catholic Church spreads to the world.

Few if any of them have any understanding of history and even less of the Greek language.

They become self righteously indignant and resort to "Where is that in the Bible?", when challenged to actually think and use things like reason, logic and legitimate historical sources.

I wish I could say they were blissfully ignorant, but you can see the anger oozing into so many of their posts.

44 posted on 05/15/2016 4:17:28 AM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Martin Tell
A notable feature of this icon is that the two sides of Christ's face are different; this shows His two natures.

I have seen pictures of this icon any number of times and never noticed that particular feature. Thank you for pointing that out.

45 posted on 05/15/2016 4:23:03 AM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thank you for the ping, very interesting.


46 posted on 05/15/2016 7:12:14 AM PDT by GregoTX
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To: verga

Verga, take a look at Numbers 21: 4-9 then go to 2 Kings 18 and see how idol worship must be dealt with when it inveigles a people.


47 posted on 05/15/2016 8:56:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: SatinDoll
... they adopted the human forms that made most sense to them; ...

I submit this is the human form that makes the most sense.

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Isaiah, Catholic chapter fifty three, Protestant verses one to two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

48 posted on 05/15/2016 9:30:25 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: MHGinTN
beating a dead horse photo:  BeatDeadHorse.gif
49 posted on 05/15/2016 10:40:33 AM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: verga

Perhaps the most shocking aspect of Numbers 21 and the brass snake on the pole is that some actually refused to look at the pole even as the viper poison was killing them.


50 posted on 05/15/2016 12:36:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground...

IOW, just a regular guy. Quietly blends right in. Not trying to attract any attention or work a crowd. Not having an appeal or "beauty" (ego, shmooz factor) that draws those who love lies and flattery. Spends all day caring for people, healing the sick, and lifting up the broken-hearted.

That's him. The most beautiful, loving soul on the face of the earth. Astonishing, really, as he completely overturns the common sense rule that, "If something appears too good to be true, it usually is." Usually...

Not what most are expecting, hence the marred (corrupted, i.e. misinterpreted) visage.

52.15. So shall he startle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths at him; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they perceive:

51 posted on 05/15/2016 1:20:53 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: MHGinTN
Pay attention this time: They are not idols, we don't worship them>

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52 posted on 05/15/2016 4:40:23 PM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: verga
The little gif is clever, but not relevant. Try reading Numbers 21 then the passages in 2 Kings 18. Those making little snalkes on poles to hang on their house walls for eight hundred years did not believe they were using idols. That foolishness was tolerated, until God stood up a righteous king over Israel.

You might also find it instructive that it is recorded in Kings that 'in that day' (I'm not going to tell you what day that was) 'there was no king in Israel so everyman did what was right in his own eyes'. Note, there was no king, not there was no synagogue ...

53 posted on 05/15/2016 4:58:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: verga; metmom; ealgeone; daniel1212; imardmd1; Springfield Reformer; HossB86; Mark17; Elsie
This is not aimed at the paintings. There is a huge clue to what it IS about in the following (hint:incenses):
2 kings 18:1 Now it happened that during the third year of the reign ofa Elah’s son Hoshea, king of Israel, that Ahaz’ son Hezekiah became king. 2 He was 25 years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem for 29 years. His mother was Zechariah’s daughter Abi. 3 He did what the LORD considered to be right, according to everything that his ancestor David had done.

Hezekiah’s Reforms (2 Chronicles 29:3; 31:1)

4 He removed the high places, demolished the sacred pillars, and tore down the Asherah poles. He also demolished the bronze serpent that Moses had crafted, because the Israelis had been burning incense to it right up until that time. Hezekiah called it a piece of brass.

Remind you of anything done before the images of Mary or the catholic defined saints?

54 posted on 05/16/2016 12:07:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN; Religion Moderator

Generally Catholics are told to stop haranguing someone after the third post of a similar nature. Does that rule hold true for the non-Catholics? If not could you tell me what the magic number is.


55 posted on 05/16/2016 1:55:05 PM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: verga

Yet you ignore the Greek in Luke 1.


56 posted on 05/16/2016 3:16:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MHGinTN

They won’t see it.


57 posted on 05/16/2016 3:22:55 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I dunno, sometimes when it causes that still small voice to be heard in their head, they run to the moderator to see if they can quiet the source which causes the sound in their soul ...


58 posted on 05/16/2016 5:49:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: verga

I think you can safely post your little gif one more time before getting a caution ...


59 posted on 05/16/2016 5:50:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: NYer; verga
No imagery:

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of
any thing
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD
thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my
commandments" (Ex. 20:4-6 AV; cf Deut. 5:7-21).

Even so:

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is
a shame unto him?" (1 Cor. 11:14 AV).

"Neither shall they shave their heads, nor suffer their locks to grow long;
they shall only poll their heads" (Ezek. 44:20 AV).

The last Icon, from the source of the corrupted "Codex Aleph" (Codex
Sinaiticus) found by Tischendorf in the burn barrel there.

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He has not just one visage.
See Jesus looking out of the faces of those in whose heart He lives.

60 posted on 05/16/2016 6:04:29 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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