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Just War Theory Should be Abandoned, Says Conference Hosted by Vatican
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 4/15/16 | AP

Posted on 04/15/2016 8:01:05 PM PDT by marshmallow

Conference attendees called for a new way of thinking 'consistent with Gospel nonviolence'

Participants at a conference hosted by the Vatican have called for the Catholic Church to renounce its just war doctrine and for Pope Francis to write an encyclical on nonviolence and “just peace.”

In a closing statement, attendees at the conference, which was sponsored by the Vatican’s justice and peace office and Pax Christi International, the Catholic peace movement, said that too often the doctrine had been used to justify and endorse military action rather than prevent it.

Church teaching has long allowed for “just wars” — the use of force to stop an unjust aggression — as long as certain conditions are met. They include that other peaceful means have been exhausted, that the force is appropriate and won’t produce worse effects, and that there is a reasonable chance for success.

But the participants called for the church to no longer use or teach “just war” theory, for the church to instead develop a new peacemaking framework “consistent with Gospel nonviolence,” and for Francis to articulate it all in a new encyclical.

“The time has come for our church to be a living witness and to invest far greater human and financial resources in promoting a spirituality and practice of active nonviolence and in forming and training our Catholic communities in effective nonviolent practices,” the statement said.

Francis, named after the peace-loving St. Francis of Assisi, has echoed his predecessors in condemning wars and promoting peace. He hosted a marathon prayer vigil to stave off threatened military action in Syria, brought the Israeli and Palestinian presidents together for a peace summit, and issues near-weekly appeals for peaceful ends to conflicts around the globe.

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To: marshmallow
Conference attendees called for a new way of thinking 'consistent with Gospel nonviolence'

What Gospel nonviolence?

Is the famous biblical confrontation with the moneychangers at the temple now considered "non-violent?"

21 posted on 04/16/2016 1:18:43 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
When the Islamic barbarian hordes start crashing on the Vatican’s gates, a different tune will be sung.

A puzzling assertion.

Last time the other barbarian hordes (Lutherans and Republicans) sacked the Vatican, the Pacifist Pope and his entire retinue peacefully retired to places unknown...

The Sack of the Vatican

22 posted on 04/16/2016 1:28:32 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: avenir
The poison pill of the cited excerpt :

"d) the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition."

Who makes the judgement?
Who judges the judge(s) ?

I can't, for the life of me, imagine graver evils and disorders than historical islam...

23 posted on 04/16/2016 1:40:40 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: marshmallow

Kill ‘em all, Let God sort ‘em out........


24 posted on 04/16/2016 4:03:30 AM PDT by njslim
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To: marshmallow
Pope Benedict didn't die, he was forced out in a power play so that the social justice warrior "liberation theology" cardinals and bishops could install Pope Marx, who has an important role to play in bringing on global socialism.


25 posted on 04/16/2016 4:38:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Arthur McGowan

The Church has been hijacked by the liberation theologists who have been coming into power as bishops and cardinals since the 1960s. Now they run the place. Why would we NOT expect this to happen? This is what socialists do, they hijack institutions and turn them into tools to promote world socialism. It’s what they do.


26 posted on 04/16/2016 4:40:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marshmallow

Be a shame if something happened to this Pope....


27 posted on 04/16/2016 4:49:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marshmallow

In other words, submit to the unjust aggressor, I.E. mooslimbs. Bow down in abject obeisance to the subhumans. The church is under the control of the left and has abandoned its mission.


28 posted on 04/16/2016 4:52:05 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Pacifists are just evil.

Radical pacifism is inherently evil. It promotes that one should become the slave of the non-pacifist, rather than assert one's liberty through force.

Other ideologies may come to take your life, but radical pacifism makes you lay down your soul. At the point where you can no longer tolerate your loved ones being raped, enslaved, or killed, and you finally take up arms, it is with the knowledge that you will be damned for doing so. It means that those who defend will be looked upon as evil, by those moral parasites who are being defended.

29 posted on 04/16/2016 5:08:19 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: marshmallow

“War and violence are never means used by God in order to achieve a result. They are for the most part machinations of the devil used to achieve unlawful ends. We say “for the most part” because, as is well known, in a few specific cases the Orthodox Church forgives an armed defense against oppression and violence. However, as a rule, peaceful resolution of differences and peaceful cooperation are more pleasing to God and more beneficial to humankind.”

Patriarch Bartholomew; Address in Novi Sad, Serbia on October 22, 1999


30 posted on 04/16/2016 5:12:17 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: marshmallow
You don't like "just"? Okay, how about a "necessary war," as in: The West, sensing the horde of maddened jihadi extremists were coming to lop off all their heads, did the only commonsensical thing they could think to do as they appeared to be pushed to their limits of understanding AND survival. They engaged in a necessary war to rid the planet of the noxious disease known as Islam (not radical Islam, but Islam).
31 posted on 04/16/2016 5:21:44 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: marshmallow

As I stated in an earlier post about this, if these freaks were around centuries ago we would be praying towards Mecca 5 times a day.


32 posted on 04/16/2016 5:39:54 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: publius911

Agreed.


33 posted on 04/16/2016 6:19:06 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: marshmallow

Gospel nonviolence? Like Jesus fashioning a whip of cords? Such as when he told the apostles to sell their cloak and buy a sword? When Peter called death down upon the couple in acts who withheld from the Christian community? What Gospel are they reading?


34 posted on 04/16/2016 3:14:07 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.)
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To: Travis McGee

And who has stuffed the hierarchy with these pro-abortion commies? Blessed Paul VI, Saint JPII. Even Benedict.

The Pope is always presented with three dossiers for episcopal appointments. JPII didn’t even read them. He would take the one on top and sign the letter of appointment. Then he would whine about all the disloyal, heterodox bisops.


35 posted on 04/16/2016 3:46:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

In the words of “President Schwarzenegger”, “I was elected to lead, not to read.”


36 posted on 04/16/2016 3:47:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: marshmallow
"I bring not peace but a sword."

seems to me I've read that somewhere.

Just for the record, I have written two books and several articles on Just War Doctrine.

37 posted on 04/16/2016 3:51:38 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I doubt that St. JP did not read them, but if it’s true, so what? If you understand the process to winnow it down to 3, you probably also understand by that point it makes very little difference.

JP never wallowed in administrative or political conflicts. If that resulted in a few different names on chancery doors, it’s well worth the trade-off for the grace and light and warmth he spread throughout the world... and still does.


38 posted on 04/16/2016 5:17:41 PM PDT by opus1 (This is all getting rather confusing.)
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To: opus1

You are probably correct in most cases. Or many of them.

He made no attempt to get control of the process, either.

There were people he could have consulted, all over the world, to identify holy, EFFECTIVE priests for the episcopacy. Didn’t do that, either. He let the Lavender Mafia control the process, as it does at the moment.

Bergoglio isn’t even waiting for the Lavender Mafia to select his candidates. He is reaching down into the presbyterate, all over the world but especially in the Spanish-speaking world, to raise “the worst priests he can find” to the episcopacy.


39 posted on 04/16/2016 7:16:29 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Yes, I see what you mean. Bergoglio is definitely a micro-manager. He’s also “pushed out” 6 or 7 bishops on strange pretexts. Line them up and something becomes apparent: they were all involved in the TLM.


40 posted on 04/17/2016 3:24:26 AM PDT by opus1 (This is all getting rather confusing.)
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