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Vatican’s liturgy chief contradicts Pope Francis on Communion for non-Catholics
Life Site News ^ | Mon Nov 30, 2015 - 11:12 am EST | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 11/30/2015 11:43:53 AM PST by Olog-hai

The Vatican's cardinal in charge of liturgy and the sacraments has strongly defended the Church's tradition on reception of Communion in the wake of Pope Francis' comments to a Lutheran woman suggesting she could choose in conscience to receive.

Speaking with Aleteia reporter Diane Montagna, Cardinal Robert Sarah said, "Intercommunion is not permitted between Catholics and non-Catholics. You must confess the Catholic Faith. A non-Catholic cannot receive Communion. That is very, very clear. It's not a matter of following your conscience." ...

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: communion; liturgychief; noncatholics; popefrancis; robertsarah
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1 posted on 11/30/2015 11:43:53 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Glad to see the senior leadership in the church challenge Francis’ comments.


2 posted on 11/30/2015 11:46:53 AM PST by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: Olog-hai

We need a term for when the Pope makes one of these “mistakes” or “mistatements”, because they happen so often.

Malapopeism? Popeian Slip?


3 posted on 11/30/2015 11:52:11 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: ScottinVA

What ever happened to Ecumenism? Weren’t the various Protestant denominations only supposed to be “separated brethren”?


4 posted on 11/30/2015 11:55:10 AM PST by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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To: ScottinVA

In the Catholic Church, I don’t think it is a democracy. I think it is a dictatorship....in a good way (I am Catholic). I think what the Pope says is gospel. The Archbishop may be reassigned to Syria to watch over the injured.


5 posted on 11/30/2015 12:06:48 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: alloysteel

Protestants are “separated brethren”, not simply “brethren” because the churches are divided over various issues, including the Eucharist. Therefore, non-Catholics are not supposed to receive communion in Catholic churches (with a few, rare exceptions for Orthodox Christians, who wouldn’t receive anyway on account of their own rules).


6 posted on 11/30/2015 12:10:24 PM PST by utahagen
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To: napscoordinator
"I think what the Pope says is gospel."

Even when it contradicts actual Gospel?

7 posted on 11/30/2015 12:20:11 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: napscoordinator

Here is a good article discussing it, if you have the time. However, the gist of it is the pope cannot change fundamental doctrine, and his response was not an official answer, which in the end anyway, he said he couldn’t allow it.

http://www.catholic.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-on-intercommunion-with-lutherans


8 posted on 11/30/2015 12:20:52 PM PST by JTHomes (Government is force.)
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To: Boogieman
We need a term for when the Pope makes one of these "mistakes" or "mistatements"

An imbergroglio.

9 posted on 11/30/2015 12:29:18 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Evil, in this world, comes from sin. Not from income disparity or 'climate change.' - Dr.Cernea)
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To: utahagen

Just so. Protestants and Catholics agree on many things—as do the numerous kinds of Protestants. But with the possible exception of High Anglicans, they disagree on the nature of the Eucharist. Catholics believe that it is, in substance, the real Body and Blood of Christ, and only in outward appearance bread and wine.

Since Orthodox Christians also believe in the real nature of the Sacrament, they may be allowed to receive it—but are forbidden to by the authorities of most Orthodox churches.

It would be wrong for a Lutheran to receive Communion, because Martin Luther denied the reality of the Sacrament. It is NOT the real Body and Blood of Christ. Most Protestants continue to take that position. How can they properly and respectfully receive the Sacrament when they don’t believe in it?

I once headed a scholarly conference on Christianity and literature that included both Catholic and Protestant (mostly Evangelical) members. We could work on many things in common, while agreeing to disagree on some theological points. The nature of the Sacraments was certainly one such point. But we could agree that marriage was between a man and a woman and that adultery was wrong, to take one area where we differed from many or most secularists.


10 posted on 11/30/2015 12:32:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Good one!


11 posted on 11/30/2015 12:40:12 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cicero

Lutherans do believe in the Real Presence of the Body and Blood.

Still, we are not in communion with Catholics. Which is kind of the point.


12 posted on 11/30/2015 12:45:00 PM PST by redgolum
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To: ScottinVA

Actually, the pope did say that the non-Catholic woman could not receive, but, typically, he snaked the conversation for much too long prior to saying that.


13 posted on 11/30/2015 1:07:58 PM PST by Bigg Red (Keep calm and Pray on.)
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To: Boogieman

Malapopeism

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Good one!


14 posted on 11/30/2015 1:08:34 PM PST by Bigg Red (Keep calm and Pray on.)
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To: ScottinVA

“Intercommunion is not permitted between Catholics and non-Catholics. You must confess the Catholic Faith. A non-Catholic cannot receive Communion. That is very, very clear. It’s not a matter of following your conscience.” ...

This just shows the cult the Catholic Church has become

Just look at what was decided by Peter,Paul etc, when some Christian Jews wanted to have Gentiles to keep the laws that the Jews had struggled with.

It was decided that faith in Christ was all that was necessary, but that the Gentiles should abstain from eating things that were sacrificed to idols , and from Sexual Immorality

Denominations outside of simple Christianity are not what was ever intended


15 posted on 11/30/2015 1:17:41 PM PST by Chauncey Uppercrust (CRUZ/TRUMP 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Boogieman
We need a term for when the Pope makes one of these “mistakes” or “mistatements”, because they happen so often.

How about "poops"?

16 posted on 11/30/2015 1:27:43 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Olog-hai

So the pope doesn’t know Catholic doctrine. Our president doesn’t know the Constitution.


17 posted on 11/30/2015 1:53:31 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Bigg Red
Actually, the pope did say that the non-Catholic woman could not receive, but, typically, he snaked the conversation for much too long prior to saying that.

He did? That's not how I recall it. Could you provide the quote?

18 posted on 11/30/2015 2:37:53 PM PST by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ScottinVA

BTTT!


19 posted on 11/30/2015 3:14:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv

The quote:
I wouldn’t ever dare to allow this, because it’s not my competence. One baptism, one Lord, one faith.

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At #8 there is a link to a religion scholar’s analysis.


20 posted on 11/30/2015 3:58:42 PM PST by Bigg Red (Keep calm and Pray on.)
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