Posted on 11/12/2015 12:41:01 PM PST by vladimir998
"The terrorists who sparked Bonfire Night were fighting a regime which imposed the protestant religion with hangings, burnings and bloodshed"
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
“The Catholic Queen Mary killed more Protestants in 5 years than Elizabeth did in her entire reign”
No. 284 Protestants were executed by the English States. Mary executed no one. Those laws were long in place years - perhaps centuries - before Mary ever became queen. Elizabeth’s personal choices led to hundreds of thousands being slaughtered in Ireland in later decades. They wanted to follow what always was. Elizabeth imposed a dictatorship on England, Wales and Ireland. Elizabeth also executed Protestants who rocked the boat in England. When she died half of England still stubbornly held onto the Catholic faith in defiance of Elizabeth. That clearly shows Protestantism only succeeded by force: fines, imprisonment, executions, seizures of property, and banishment.
“- and Elizabeth had greater cause, given the Catholic Church was trying to overthrow her.”
There were Englishmen who wanted her overthrown - including some of her own nobles and especially because she had no claim to the throne. Queen Mary Guise of Scotland had a much better claim in fact.
“As for “what always was†- the medieval Catholic Church fought to enlarge and enrich itself.”
Where? When? The “medieval” Catholic Church was Christianity in Europe, and at the beginning of the Middle Ages in North Africa and Eastern Europe and much of the Middle East too.
“It had a terrible record for anything slightly resembling honesty and integrity.”
No, you’re just apparently making things up now. I guess you have to.
I’m just glad those fights took place back then instead of today. I don’t like living in “Interesting Times”, even though it looks like we may be.
Thanks for posting the truth.
“Would that be the John Wycliffe whose remains were dug up, burned, and the ashes cast into the river Swift at the command of Pope Martin V?”
And? Is that any worse than what Protestants did to the remains and shrines of saints in England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland, or France, or Sweden, or Finland, or Denmark, or Norway, or Germany, of Holland, or Switzerland? Is it? Wycliffe’s remains were burned because as a heretic he led people to hell. Catholic shrines and saints’ remains were destroyed out of greed, hatred for the truth, and lust for power for a new, and false, gospel imposed against the will of the people of England, Wales and Ireland. Which was worse? One heretic’s remains destroyed or entire culture and entire peoples’ robbed of their cultural heritage, faith, and ultimately led to atheism?
“I’m just glad those fights took place back then instead of today. I don’t like living in “Interesting Timesâ€, even though it looks like we may be.”
Yes, and attacking the Catholic Church doesn’t help since the Catholic Church is key to surviving those “Interesting Times”.
***Yes, and attacking the Catholic Church doesn’t help***
Strange. I don’t see any attack by me on the Catholic Church. I merely mentioned that Protestant England rose while Catholic Spain shrank.
Maybe you need a “safe space” if you see an attack on the Church.
Upshot, yes, the English Reformation was a mess.
CC a few of the saints
“Mary executed no one.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK. That ends my participation on this thread. It ought to end everyone else’s, too!
“Strange. I don’t see any attack by me on the Catholic Church.”
Strange. I don’t see any mention of YOU in what I wrote.
Maybe you need a “refresher course” on reading comprehension if you see a statement about YOU.
“This might be worth your time to listen to:”
I don’t think so. Been there, done that in my “misspent youth”. If I’m going to take a look at anything from Trueman, it will be this http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Came-Sought-Her-Theological/dp/1433512769/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 or this perhaps http://www.amazon.com/Real-Scandal-Evangelical-Mind-ebook/dp/B004I8WSF0/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 .
“OK. That ends my participation on this thread. It ought to end everyone else’s, too!”
Well, apparently it was destined to end with you leaving anyway. Isn’t that how it has always gone?
But you might want to read Gregory Slysz’s Mary Tudor, England’s First Queen Regnant. Truth Is the Daughter of Time
(2015).
“The reign of Mary I has received much scholarly attention in recent times. Age-old assumptions about its policies, its achievements, its power-brokers, their motives and above all Mary herself have been subjected to extensive revision. The task, however, has had to overcome centuries of misinformation and anti-Catholic propaganda and prejudice that conspired to depict the English Reformation as an inevitable popular revolt against a corrupt and detested Church and of Mary Tudor, as the one who bucked the trend with her cruelty and ineptitude. This volume aims to offer a reassessment of the key controversies of the Marian period. It seeks to demonstrate both that Mary’s sobriquet ‘bloody’ is undeserved and that her reign was considerably more successful than its detractors have claimed. It also posits that the critical anti-Catholic reaction to Mary’s reign helped to define the nature of the ‘liberal’ English/British nation-state as well as contribute to its national ‘ideology’ and self-understanding for nearly five hundred years.” http://www.amazon.com/Tudor-Englands-first-Regnant-Daughter/dp/0852448562
If I’m going to take a look at anything from Trueman, it will be this
They look promising (though the second is pricey, for "Print Length: 44 pages"). Perhaps I can get to them, in my Abundant Free Time. Assuming I have enough time, which is currently an open question.
“Assuming I have enough time, which is currently an open question.”
Time is hard to come by!
****Yes, and attacking the Catholic Church doesn’t help since the Catholic Church is key to surviving those “Interesting Timesâ€.***
Since this was in a post addressed to me I figure it was meant for me.
“Since this was in a post addressed to me I figure it was meant for me.”
Well, maybe it’s time you read someone’s posts just as you write your own.
Posted by one who thanked God for the Spanish Inquisition. And so such imposing of religion was original with them? Many founding fathers of American had good warrant for being leery of RCs.
And the English Reformation resulted inthe Roman Catholic Restoration under Queen Mary
After 1555, the initial reconciling tone of the regime began to harden. The medieval heresy laws were restored. The Marian Persecutions of Protestants ensued and 283 Protestants were burnt at the stake for heresy. This resulted in the Queen becoming known as Bloody Mary, due to the influence of John Foxe, one of the Protestants who fled Marian England. Foxe's Book of Martyrs recorded the executions in such detail that it became Mary's epitaph; Convocation subsequently ordered that Foxe's book should be placed in every cathedral in the land. In fact, while those who were executed after the revolts of 1536, and the St David's Down rebellion of 1549, and the unknown number of monks who died for refusing to submit, may not have been tried for heresy, they certainly exceeded that number by some amount. Even so, the heroism of some of the martyrs was an example to those who witnessed them, so that in some places it was the burnings that set people against the regime.[70] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Reformation#Roman_Catholic_Restoration_under_Mary
The damage done by Henry VIII make Hitler look like a piker.
Feral blacks running wild in the streets of the USA can be directly tied to the rise of the Anglican Church.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/julyweb-only/7-14-53.0.html?start=2
The Truth About the Catholic Church and Slavery
The UK is considered by many to be post Christian.
I’m a Protestant and as far as I’m concerned Protestant churches are THE CHURCH Christ founded. The Pagan alternative with its veneer of Christianity is just that the Pagan Church.
“The UK is considered by many to be post Christian.”
Yes, Protestantism leads to atheism.
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