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UPDATE: an explanatory comment from my Guy Inside

“He’s fudging… he’s strongly implying infallibility, but not saying that he will pronounce infallibly.

“He wants everyone to come away with ‘Whoa… this is infallible. We hear and obey!’ but leaving plausible deniability to say, ‘No, no, I never claimed this particular bit was infallible….'”

1 posted on 10/18/2015 10:17:38 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

No different from other Popes speaking ex cathedra. This is why we have a Catholic Church in the confidence that the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. The Catholic Church is not a Protestant mishmash.


2 posted on 10/18/2015 10:21:54 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: ebb tide
“Finally,” explained Pope Francis, “the synodal process culminates in listening to the Bishop of Rome, called upon to speak authoritatively [It. pronunciare] as ‘Shepherd and Teacher of all Christians Catholics’: not on the basis of his personal beliefs, but as the supreme witness of the Faith of the whole Church, the guarantor of the Church’s conformity with and obedience to the will of God, to the Gospel of Christ and the Tradition of the Church.”

There, fixed it. He is neither shepherd nor teacher to Christians.

5 posted on 10/18/2015 10:33:16 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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“Throw me a frickin’ bone here! I’m the boss!”


7 posted on 10/18/2015 10:35:42 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: ebb tide

So why dont ISIS or Terrorists in general go for the vatican? Ever. Never see it happen. Why?


8 posted on 10/18/2015 10:38:19 AM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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My guess is that Pope Francis will be gone within a year or two, no more. Good riddance to him and his homosexual, socialist, and communist brethren.


10 posted on 10/18/2015 10:47:44 AM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: ebb tide

This is a silly article.

IMHO, the question is when PapaFran speaks against the revisionists and innovators, will he end up with the kind of grief PapaPauloVI got?

The wilder of the synod fathers are going for an Anglican style answer, one that takes a thousand words to say, “Whatever ... .” That’s the temptation and peril here.

I’m betting that if they push too far he will come out clearly against them. This, I think, is a warning shot.


12 posted on 10/18/2015 10:51:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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“Finally,” explained Pope Francis, “the synodal process culminates in listening to the Bishop of Rome, called upon to speak authoritatively [It. pronunciare] as ‘Shepherd and Teacher of all Christians”

>The belief that this Pope, any Pope, is the foundation/rock or cornerstone (successor to Peter), and, as we see here, the alleged head of Christianity - in opposition to the NT which says Jesus Christ is both cornerstone and headstone (head) of the church - is what lies at the heart of the Reformation.

I join with the martyrs of medieval times who have been burned at the stake, and all Biblical Christians, who utterly reject such arrogant, narcissistic, and dispicable blasphemy. “Blasphemy,” because mere men have put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ, the true foundational rock and head of Christianity. They attempt to supplant God.

Despite centuries of blending pagan thought and practices into their institution, they steadfastedly resisted the temptation to officially make socialism part of their system. They were once anti-communist, but now with this Marxist Pope before our eyes a dramatic change. Make no mistake about it, with this Pope, socialism/communism has now officially become part and parcel of what the Papists claim as “Christianity.”

If this isn’t the ultimate slap in the face to true Biblical Christianity, which has only Christ their foundational stone and head, and which is also anti-socialist, anti-communist, then I don’t know what is!


26 posted on 10/18/2015 11:22:19 AM PDT by sasportas
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Beware, children of GOD in CHRIST!

The false doctrines of Francis and the lust-loving, man-pleasing “cardinals” are what you get when you look to mortal (!) men, prey of the flesh and the devil, to rule over your “church”, instead of adhering to JESUS and the Holy Word of GOD alone as your Guide.


49 posted on 10/18/2015 12:13:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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Wow, this thread is a mess. The usual pile-ons from the anti-Catholic Church crowd, as well as a few shades of sedevecantism interweaved throughout.

It’s like Scotty said about the warp drive of the Constellation in TOS episode “The Doomsday Machine”: it’s a hopeless pile of junk! (Said with a thick Scottish accent of course)


215 posted on 10/19/2015 9:49:59 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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