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To: Salvation; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
An old hymn with that title says, When peace, like a river, attendeth my way, when sorrows like sea billows roll; whatever my lot, thou hast taught me to say, It is well, it is well with my soul.

But the Msgr. is quoting a Protestant hymn! Where is the outrage from traditionalists who censure such us in their cultic defense of Mother Church?

"It Is Well With My Soul" is a hymn penned by hymnist Horatio Spafford and composed by Philip Bliss. First published in Gospel Songs No. 2 by Sankey and Bliss (1876), it is possibly the most influential and enduring in the Bliss repertoire and is often taken as a choral model, appearing in hymnals of a wide variety of Christian fellowships.[2]

This hymn was written after traumatic events in Spafford's life. The first was the 1871 Great Chicago Fire, which ruined him financially (he had been a successful lawyer and had invested significantly in property in the area of Chicago that was extensively damaged by the great fire). His business interests were further hit by the economic downturn of 1873, at which time he had planned to travel to Europe with his family on the SS Ville du Havre. In a late change of plan, he sent the family ahead while he was delayed on business concerning zoning problems following the Great Chicago Fire.

While crossing the Atlantic, the ship sank rapidly after a collision with a sea vessel, the Loch Earn, and all four of Spafford's daughters died. His wife Anna survived and sent him the now famous telegram, "Saved alone …". Shortly afterwards, as Spafford traveled to meet his grieving wife, he was inspired to write these words as his ship passed near where his daughters had died.[3] Bliss called his tune Ville du Havre, from the name of the stricken vessel.[4]

he Spaffords later had three more children. On February 11, 1880, their son, Horatio Goertner Spafford, died at the age of four, of scarlet fever. Their daughters were Bertha Hedges Spafford (born March 24, 1878) and Grace Spafford (born January 18, 1881). Their Presbyterian church regarded their tragedy as divine punishment. In response, the Spaffords formed their own Messianic sect, dubbed "the Overcomers" by American press. In 1881, the Spaffords, including baby Bertha and newborn Grace, set sail for Ottoman-Turkish Palestine. The Spaffords settled in Jerusalem and helped found a group called the American Colony. Colony members, later joined by Swedish Christians, engaged in philanthropic work among the people of Jerusalem regardless of their religious affiliation and without proselytizing motives—thereby gaining the trust of the local Muslim, Jewish, and Christian communities. During and immediately after World War I, the American Colony played a critical role in supporting these communities through the great suffering and deprivations by running soup kitchens, hospitals, orphanages and other charitable ventures. The colony later became the subject of the Nobel prize-winning Jerusalem, by Swedish novelist Selma Lagerlöf.[3] < - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Is_Well_with_My_Soul/font>

I am still not at the place where i can sing all of this song in all circumstances...

6 posted on 10/01/2015 7:56:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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Have you ever seen a Catholic hymnal? It’s full of hymns written by Protestants. The next time you are passing by a Catholic church stop in and flip through the one. If you know Spafford you’ll probably recognize dozens of other Protestant hymn writers.

I know some very traditional Catholics and they would all prefer a well-written, beautiful Protestant hymn to pretty much anything written in the decade after Vatican II. But maybe that’s because a high proportion of them are former Protestants.

By the way, protestant hymnals also contain many hymns written by Catholics (cf. The Episcopal Hymnal of 1940).


10 posted on 10/01/2015 8:15:36 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: daniel1212
But the Msgr. is quoting a Protestant hymn! Where is the outrage from traditionalists who censure such us in their cultic defense of Mother Church?

OUTRAGE! OUTRAGE!
Will that do? :o)

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Didn't most hymns find their source in monastic choirs? Read that on Google when I asked about the source of most Protestant hymns.

Also, Protestants aren't protesting anymore, are they? Now it's a misnomer, I think.

18 posted on 10/01/2015 8:36:22 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: daniel1212

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNqo4Un2uZI


20 posted on 10/01/2015 8:40:34 AM PDT by halo66
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Monsignor Pope to me, is a connoisseur of music. He has all kinds of music, Gospel, swing, hymns like this one, even Catholic ones.

It must be his hobby. I don’t hold it against him.


22 posted on 10/01/2015 8:46:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: daniel1212
But the Msgr. is quoting a Protestant hymn! Where is the outrage from traditionalists who censure such us in their cultic defense of Mother Church?

I'm a Catholic, but I have to admit that Protestants have better hymns (at least those in English; we have some very good Latin hymns).

35 posted on 10/01/2015 1:04:18 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon)
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“But the Msgr. is quoting a Protestant hymn! Where is the outrage from traditionalists who censure such us in their cultic defense of Mother Church?”

TAKE. . . THE. . . RED. . . PILL!

My parish has never and will never sing a Protestant hymn. Having said that, I have no real problem with some of the better traditional Protestant hymns as opposed to the trash both modern Protestants and modern Catholics sing these days.

Oh, and it wouldn’t be about defending “Mother Church”. It’s just most music used in worship these days is banal to say the least. Music is the only area of beauty where Protestants held onto the ideal into the 20th century. And then that died too. When you compare It Is Well With My Soul to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvw7jm-lsw then you know which song is truly beautiful and which is just so-so.


41 posted on 10/01/2015 8:06:11 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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