Posted on 09/21/2015 3:06:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
It shouldn't have been a hard question.
On Sunday's Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked Ben Carson, "Should a Presidents faith matter?"
Carson's answer was comfortingly banal. "Well, I guess it depends on what that faith is," he replied. "If its inconsistent with the values and principles of America, then of course it should matter. But if it fits within the realm of America and consistent with the Constitution, no problem."
But Todd had a follow-up. "So do you believe that Islam is consistent with the Constitution?"
And then Carson went off the rails. "No, I dont, I do not," he said. "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that."
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Carson's remarks were noxious enough and bizarre enough that even Ted Cruz joined in the backlash. "The Constitution specifies that there shall be no religious test for public office, and I am a constitutionalist," he said in Iowa.
It was left to Carson's spokesperson, Doug Watts, to try to soften Carson's claim a tricky task, given the definitive nature of Carson's statement. "He did not say that a Muslim should be prevented from running, or barred from running in any way," Watts said.
In other words, the defense of Carson from Carson's own campaign is that while the candidate "absolutely" would not support a Muslim president, he does not think it is currently illegal for Americans of Muslim faith to run for president.
But Carson's comment was more than a gaffe. It came after Donald Trump indulged a supporter who said, "We have a problem in this country, it's called Muslims." It comes amidst a sharply rising tide of Islamophobia in America. And it comes in context of a presidential campaign where Republican candidates are being rewarded for bigoted comments.
Carson's statement is being treated in the press as a disaster for his campaign. But no one should be surprised if his poll numbers rise in its aftermath.
"We have a problem in this country, it's called Muslims."
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Todd's question was predictable. A few days before, Donald Trump had held a rally that included this memorable exchange:
MAN IN AUDIENCE: We have a problem in this country, it's called Muslims. We know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American. Birth certificate, man!
DONALD TRUMP: We need this question!
MAN IN AUDIENCE: But anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That's my question: when can we get rid of 'em?
DONALD TRUMP: We're gonna be looking at a lot of different things. And you know that a lot of people are saying that, and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. We're going to be looking at that and plenty of other things.
Trump's campaign later clarified their candidate's answer this way: "Christians need support in this country. Their religious liberty is at stake." Which suggested that the kind of support Christians need is a president who will indulge, and even encourage, conspiratorial Islamophobes.
But these kinds of comments have been the hallmark of Trump's campaign and his appeal thus far. Trump spent much of the Obama administration as the nation's most prominent birther. He began his presidential campaign by calling Mexican immigrants "criminals, drug dealers, rapists." He defended a series of misogynistic comments about women by saying "I don't, frankly, have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time, either." Shortly thereafter, he retweeted people calling Fox News's Megyn Kelly "a bimbo" for asking him the question in the first place.
Through all of this, Trump has been rewarded with ever-rising poll numbers. The message from the Republican electorate has been perfectly clear: they want a candidate willing to say things about that the Republican establishment to say nothing of the media would usually consider disqualifying.
Ben Carson is more soft-spoken than Donald Trump, but no less outspoken.
Trump currently leads the Republican primary field. But Carson who doesn't have Trump's name recognition or fortune is in second place is most polls. And Carson's rise has been powered by many of the same dynamics that have led to Trump's dominance. Like Trump, Carson is a political outsider unafraid to say things that make the GOP establishment blanch.
This is easy to miss because Carson doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would say anything particularly provocative. Trump has the affect of a man who says offensive things: he's loud, blustering, red-faced. But Carson's demeanor is gentle and polite. His words, however, aren't.
Carson first rocketed to political fame as an opponent of Obamacare, which he called "the worst thing that has happened to this nation since slavery."
Since then, he's shown an affection for conspiracy theories, suggesting on Fox News that "perhaps some of the things that are going on right now which could be easily remedied are not being remedied in order to keep the economy depressed because there would be no appetite for many of the social programs if people were doing well."
And then, of course, there's Carson's comparison of the US, to, well, guess: "I mean, [our society is] very much like Nazi Germany. And I know you're not supposed to say Nazi Germany,' but I don't care about political correctness. You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."
Part of Carson's appeal to a certain segment of Republican voters is that he's not afraid to say what they actually believe. Unlike career politicians, he's not constrained by the Republican establishment. Unlike white politicians, he's not afraid of being race-baited by the Obama administration or the media. If you like Donald Trump's fearlessness but dislike the fact that he's kind of a jerk, Carson is the perfect candidate.
Which brings us back to Carson's comments about Muslims and the Constitution.
Carson is playing to a rising tide of Islamophobia which has been fed by the media
Carson's belief that Islam is somehow unconstitutional, and a Muslim president would somehow be dangerous, is an extreme manifestation of a much broader problem: rising Islamophobia in both politics and the media.
While Islamophobia is not new in America, it has grown since the rise of ISIS. The Iraqi and Syrian terrorist group claims to represent true Islam (though the vast majority of both its victims and its enemies are Muslim themselves), and segments of the US media have decided that they're right. CNN, for example, has run a series of segments asking if Islam "promotes violence," which is sort of like asking if Judaism promotes greed.
On Fox News, Andrea Tantros, in making a point about "the history of Islam," argued, "You can't solve it with a dialogue. You can't solve it with a summit. You solve it with a bullet to the head. It's the only thing these people understand."
Bill O'Reilly has declared that "Islam is a destructive force" and that the US is in a holy war with certain groups of Muslims. Host Jeanine Pirro once issued a breathtaking seven-minute monologue calling for the United States to arm death squads throughout the Muslim world to kill all Islamists and members of Islamist organizations, though many of those organizations are avowedly peaceful and have millions of members, including women and children.
Fox News has also promoted a far-right conspiracy theory claiming that Muslim American communities are organizing secret paramilitary "training camps." This conspiracy theory helped inspire a Tennessee man named Robert Doggart, who was arrested for plotting to lead a far-right militia to attack a predominantly Muslim community in upstate New York. And the anti-Muslim Donald Trump supporter who started this current news cycle appeared to reference this theory as well, citing "training camps" in his question to Trump.
And the rhetoric gets less responsible as you move from Fox news to the conservative talk-radio fringe.
The results of all this are increasingly visible in conservative politics. In late January, a Republican Texas state legislator protested the state capital's Muslim Capitol Day, meant to promote tolerance, by demanding that any Muslim "publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws" before entering her office. "We will see how long they stay in my office," she said.
Louisiana Gov. and presidential hopeful Bobby Jindal has falsely claimed that Muslims in the UK have set up "no-go zones" that police refuse to enter and where Sharia law prevails, and that Muslim immigrants coming to the US are an "invasion" and "colonization."
Conservative state legislatures are routinely passing laws banning "Sharia" or "foreign law," a barely veiled expression of official legislative hostility toward Islam and Muslim-American communities.
This is the broader context for Carson's remarks: many grassroots Republicans see Islam as not just suspicious but a clear and present danger to America, and think the media and the political establishment are too bound by political correctness to admit it much less fight it. What Carson said on Meet the Press is proof that he isn't.
So expect that the Carson campaign will come under attack from the usual political suspects over the next few days. But don't be surprised if Carson's numbers rise in the polls. Like Trump, he's proving that he'll give voice to ideas that have a broad constituency among grassroots conservatives, but horrify the Republican establishment.
Bizarre??? What’s bizarre is how openly the west is welcoming these scum to come invade our lands!
Liberalism is a mental illness!
Bizarre?
Carson spoke common sense.
Without reading all of this I know they selectively edited Trump’s answer. Trump did not declare “we need this question!” He made fun of the question and asked something like, we need this? This is the first question?
Aside from that this is all part of a horrible push to make America accept Islam.
Of course we and the world are having a problem with Muslims.
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Ben Carson ... is learning the political ropes ... and DESPERATELY needs to get “back into the race” ...
and regain his second-place position captured by Carly Fiorina ...
Unfortunately, Ben Carson’s not articulate enough to “kick ass” in an interview ...
Facts are facts.
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I stopped reading at “Ezra Klein.”
Sorry boys, some of us have eyes to see and brains with which to think. We know what Islam is all about.
With a Muslim President at least the White House tablecloths would have dual use technology serving at state dinners when the Prez was not wearing them.
We can weigh whatever details we want to weigh about a candidate. There is a difference in denying a person the opportunity to run and in saying you think they would be a bad choice.
I think a socialist is unfit to be President. How about that one?
So the libs are going to try to destroy the Republican candidates by forcing them to become apologists for the death cult that was responsible for 9/11 and even now continues to rampage through lives and countries while everyone pretends nothing is happening. I just can’t take much more of this insanity. The closing of the American mind is nearly complete. We will all be brainwashed drones of the almighty state or be destroyed. I am so sad for what used to be the USA.
Ezra Klein is the piece of lefty slime who created JournoList
THE FIX WAS IN
July 25, 2010
http://nypost.com/2010/07/25/the-fix-was-in/
In 2007, when Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein founded JournoList.
In 2008, the lists discussions veered into collusion and coordination at key political moments, documents revealed this week by The Daily Caller show.
In a key episode, JournoList members openly plotted to bury attention on then-candidate Barack Obamas controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The Washington Independents Spencer Ackerman, for instance, suggested an effective tactic to distract from the issue would be to pick one of Obamas critics, Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares and call them racists.
Conservative critics of Washingtons journalistic establishment have long charged the media with a striking liberal bias. But those critics have also said the problem was mostly unintentional, the result of a press corps made up mostly of Democratic-leaning scribes.
Yet JournoLists discussions show an influential left-wing faction of the media participating in a far more intentional sort of liberal bias.
JournoLists members included dozens of straight-news reporters from major news organizations, including Time, Newsweek, The Associated Press, Reuters, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Politico, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, PBS and a large NPR affiliate in California.
Also included were numerous A-list columnists and top editors. Beyond the higher-ranking members were hundreds of lesser figures, many from Washingtons liberal magazines that have long served as a stable of talent from which mainstream media organizations grab talented young writers.
In the case of the Rev. Wright story, Obama was then being hurt politically for his decades-long association with the toxic pastor, who infamously called the Sept. 11 attacks Americas chickens coming home to roost and urged God to damn America rather than bless her.
Chris Hayes, a top editor for the liberal magazine The Nation, urged his colleagues in April 2008 to avoid the subject of Wright because talking about it at all would hurt Obama. Hayes directed his message specifically to the straight-news reporters reading his post, saying: Our country disappears people. It tortures people. It has the blood of as many as one million Iraqi civilians men, women, children, the infirmed on its hands. Youll forgive me if I just cant quite dredge up the requisite amount of outrage over Barack Obamas pastor.
On the day Sen. John McCain picked Sarah Palin to be his running mate, JournoList members instantly mobilized to identify the most effective attack line against her.
The criticism of her really, really needs to be ideological, not just about experience. If we concede shes a maverick, we will have done John McCain an enormous service, said blogger Ed Kilgore.
Defenders of JournoList have pointed out that many of the most incendiary comments come from liberal opinion writers. They argue that those writers arent purporting to be neutral or objective, but are rather open about their opinions.
Of course, the defense does not absolve the dozens of straight-news reporters on the List. And it also ignores a key tenant of journalism: independence.
The public trusts journalists, even those writing analysis, to say what they believe, not what they believe needs to be said to help their political team or side. Michael Tomasky, a liberal columnist for The Guardian, recalled on JournoList how as an editor for a liberal magazine he would correct interns, and not always politely, when they used we to speak of Democrats. The reason, he explained in an interview, is that journalists need to retain enough independence to criticize when criticism is called for.
How, then, to explain this quote regarding a possible, but disingenuous attack line against Sarah Palin: If we were the GOP, wed be taking this opportunity to shout long and loud how unprepared Palin is She doesnt even know what Fannie and Freddie are . . . in the middle of a housing crisis! . . . Thats the difference in the game as played by us and by them.
That JournoList sentiment came from Ryan Avent, then a blogger for the nonpartisan Economist magazine, now an editor there.
The Atlantics Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the members of JournoList, which Ezra Klein disbanded weeks ago, have since reunited in a new online forum and are coordinating their responses to The Daily Callers stories.
Led by blogger Matt Yglesias, their attacks have focused on questioning the context of the e-mails an oft-used refuge for those caught saying embarrassing things.
How much context does one need, though, to understand Call them racists? And as the villain in a Clint Eastwood movie famously put it, whos we, sucker?
Jonathan Strong is a writer for The Daily Caller.
Excerpts from JournoList;
ON OBAMA
When Obama won, reporter Alyssa Rosenberg of Government Executive magazine ditched her neutrality. A lot of horribly ugly stuff got repudiated tonight. But it doesnt end here. We need to keep making the case to the folks who disagreed with us.
ON RUSH LIMBAUGH
Asked how she would react if Rush Limbaugh were having a heart attack right in front of her, Sarah Spitz, a producer for Southern California NPR affiliate KCRW, said she would laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.
ON SARAH PALIN
Okay, lets get deadly serious, folks, Ed Kilgore, managing editor of the Democratic Strategist, wrote. Sarah Palins just been introduced to the country as a brave, above-party, oil-company-bashing, pork-hating maverick outsider. What we can do is to expose her ideology.
ON THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT
Whether we are defending Wright or repudiating him, we are talking about what liberalisms enemies want us to be talking about, David Roberts of Grist magazine said. The problem is that none of us are thinking about how to take control of the discussion.
Levin is explaining it now.
Nothing bizzare about his comments. He never said it would be unconstitutional as Cruz and others have interpreted what he said. He said that the Muzzie beliefs would be inconsistent with the wording and structure of our constitution. Just look at all of Obama’s unconstitutional actions. Imagine someone with a more orthodox Muslim views and beliefs. Sharia law is inconsistent with our constitution. That is his point.
And then Carson went off the rails. “No, I dont, I do not,” he said. “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.”
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“BOOM!”
There goes another liberal head exploding on finding out Dr. Carson was right!
It isn’t so much that the Constitution forbids the religion of Islam as it forbids the practice of it.
Islam is in direct conflict with the US Constitution. Can you imagine a muzzie truthfully saying....”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”?
The only way a muzzie could say that is through taqiyya .
Queer media will regret this when Quran becomes PC.
Yes it is and the question asked is not even relevant to the upcoming election. The damn libs ask questions they know will create division or cause problems.
What’s bizarre about his comments???
islam is not a religion, therefore no religious test is in play.
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