Posted on 09/06/2015 3:58:19 AM PDT by NetAddicted
Reading two recent breathless headlines in the Forward, it would seem that Judaism, at least as practiced in America, is somehow in mortal danger of being co-opted and radically changed by Orthodox Jewry.
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Have you ever read any of those Rabbi Jesus (Yehoshua?) books?
I see what you did there!
“And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst” (Ex. 25:8).
And just why should I give a hang what Paul says about anything, anymore than I do about what Joseph Smith or Mohammed or any other preacher of a false religion said?
Neither Mohammed nor Joseph Smith were called by Jesus Christ personally like Paul, on his way to persecute the Christians in Damascus. Read the account of it in Acts 9, and his retelling of it in his defense at Jerusalem in Acts 22. I dare say that none of the people you follow in your Noahide group have such a supernatural encounter.
My goodness you're thick.
Why should I believe in J*sus in the first place?
Is it coming in NOW???
I used to be a chrstian. I have read them all.
But none of you are getting the point! There was already a Bible! On what grounds do you accept the "new testament" in the first place? And please don't say "because it fulfilled the prophecies" because in order to say that you have to believe in the NT already. I'm asking why you believe in the NT in the very first place considering that there was already a Bible?
I haven’t converted to Orthodox Judaism, yet (actually, Chabad-Lubavitch), so, I’m interested in what they say,
Just read you used to be a Christian. Did you convert to Orthodox Judaism?
You deny here that you would not "dictate" anyone's religion, yet you earlier posted that you would force everyone to accept your religion. So, either you are a liar or you are mentally not quite all there.
Christians have been murdering Jews in the name of their Christian religion for centuries. So don't go telling anyone that Christians have not raped, murdered, maimed, burned, or otherwise tried to force Jews to convert. That's a blatant LIE. But blatant lies don't matter to human parrots like you. GIGO is your true creed. You don't even process the brainwashing you absorbed, you just go and spew it at others as though it were true.
Where do you get that "modern Judaism is not necessarily all that closely related to ancient Judaism"? You obviously lack any serious religious training except for plain old brainwashing to be able to accurately make a wild statement like that. You are just making it up as you go along. Your opinion is worth nothing as a factual basis for any rational argument.
YOU, puny little you, are the farthest thing from a qualified arbiter of the quality of anyone's religion. All you are fit to do is point your tiny little finger at others and try to dictate your brainwashing to them. Kudos to those who also guffaw at your rantings. Take your twisted egocentricity and go stuff it somewhere.
What Church did you apostate from? just wondering, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Assembly of God, etc.?
Nobody who has truly known Christ - and by that I mean being the central messianic theme from creation, and even before, onwards - could ever be so thick headed as to apostate from it. True believers would die first, rather than deny Christ.
It must have been a church that was very superficial, else you never would have apostatized.
“Vlad, there is NO WAY I will EVER condone that “Christianity is true”.”
Truth is not affected by your opinion. It just is what it is.
“Nor will any other educated Jew.”
Except for those who do. And some do. Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Zolli#Later_years_and_death
And there are others: http://www.amazon.com/The-Ingrafting-Conversion-Stories-Hebrew-Catholics/dp/0932506550
So apparently you don’t know as much as you might believe you do.
“No educated Jew believes that J.C. was anything but a common human being.”
Except for those who do. Again.
“Nothing special at all. Certainly not a deity.”
Not “a” deity. God.
“THAT position has been, and will ever be, held exclusively by Hashem as far as Jews are concerned.”
And yet every day there are Jews embracing Christ AS GOD.
“You deny here that you would not “dictate” anyone’s religion,”
No. I deny that I WOULD dictate. I would never deny that I would not dictate precisely because I would never dictate.
“yet you earlier posted that you would force everyone to accept your religion.”
No. I never, EVER, anywhere at any time EVER said I would force ANYONE, ANYWHERE, EVER to accept ANY religion let alone mine. Apparently your understanding of English is shallow. Perhaps that explains why you apparently do not realize adding “not” to a sentence changes the sense of the sentence.
“So, either you are a liar or you are mentally not quite all there.”
No, you are simply wrong. Again, I NEVER, EVER, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, EVER said I would force people to accept ANY religion. What I said was clear enough: “I would rather have them become Christians.” See the word “rather”? That means I wish they would become Christians. No force involved.
“Christians have been murdering Jews in the name of their Christian religion for centuries.”
Well, people do bad things - and Jews are no exception. Jews persecuted Christians. And?
“So don’t go telling anyone that Christians have not raped, murdered, maimed, burned, or otherwise tried to force Jews to convert. That’s a blatant LIE.”
Man, you need to pull yourself together. First of all, I don’t deny for a second that some Christians have treated some Jews horribly - just like I don’t deny that some Jews have treated some Christians horribly in history. None of that - and I mean NONE OF THAT - has anything to do with anything I said or believe.
“But blatant lies don’t matter to human parrots like you.”
You are the only one spreading any here. I never said anything that you’re accusing of saying. I said nothing about force, for instance. I also never denied bad actions toward Jews. Yet you invent those things as if I did them.
“GIGO is your true creed. You don’t even process the brainwashing you absorbed, you just go and spew it at others as though it were true.”
And there we have it: the man who has repeatedly attacked me with name calling and insults does not see the irony about talking about historical mistreatment of one people by another. Again, hypocrisy.
“Where do you get that “modern Judaism is not necessarily all that closely related to ancient Judaism”?”
Simple. I get it from you? You know how? You said Jesus had no place in your religion but you claim to be a Jew and hinted that yours is an ancient religion. Yet, if that were so, then Jesus - who was accepted as a Jew by His enemies - could not be denied a place in your religion. Thus, Jesus, who lived in ancient times, and spoke Hebrew and Aramaic from His youth, who worshiped in the Temple (which you have never done and never will do) clearly has more affinity to that ancient Judaism than you do. Case closed.
“You obviously lack any serious religious training except for plain old brainwashing to be able to accurately make a wild statement like that.”
No, actually my religious training is probably far more extensive than yours and certainly I can make a case for being better acquainted with history than you can since I have a PhD in history which you probably do not have.
“You are just making it up as you go along.”
Nope. I have been right all along and everything I said is absolutely true. It is you who keeps making things up. I never once mentioned forcing anyone to do anything, for instance. Not once. You have resorted to name calling and ridiculous and laughable insults - probably because you can’t make an actual argument.
“Your opinion is worth nothing as a factual basis for any rational argument.”
Again, the hypocrisy is amazing.
“YOU, puny little you, are the farthest thing from a qualified arbiter of the quality of anyone’s religion.”
So we’re back to the insults, huh? Again, you can’t make an actual argument. Also, it isn’t about “quality of anyone’s religion” in a subjective fashion. It’s about ABSOLUTE truth. And the TRUTH is Jesus Christ. John 14:6.
“All you are fit to do is point your tiny little finger at others and try to dictate your brainwashing to them.”
Except I’m not dictating anything - as I already told you in a previous post. The fact that you keep saying it even though I’m clearly not doing it is telling.
“Kudos to those who also guffaw at your rantings.”
Again, the hypocrisy. Only your posts can be rantings: filled with insults, absolute untruths, distortions and utter nonsense that doesn’t even have anything to do with my original comment.
“Take your twisted egocentricity and go stuff it somewhere.”
The egocentric is the one who has to resort to constantly insulting someone and saying things that are untrue about someone else - and that isn’t me.
I hope you one day you come to a deep and abiding faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
You wrote: “Nobody who has truly known Christ - and by that I mean being the central messianic theme from creation, and even before, onwards - could ever be so thick headed as to apostate from it. True believers would die first, rather than deny Christ.”
Actually, men who espoused great faith in Christ have later turned their backs on Him. That’s just a fact. Some people respond to that fact with something like “Well, they must not really have known Jesus in the first place” but that just doesn’t work. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-04-30/clergy-lost-faith-atheist/54651236/1
It depends on what we mean by apostasy, I wasn’t referring to those who, as you put it, turn their backs on Christ...generally speaking. I agree, many are doing that. I meant it in the sense the book of Hebrews meant it. Jews who left Judaism for Christ, now apostatizing, going back to that which they had come out of. Leaving Christ for a Christ-less religion.
Awwww. You hope I come to a “deep and abiding faith in J.C.”. You are whistling in the wind, my poor deluded fool. Go peddle your nonsense on the street corner. Maybe some wino will take you up on it—if you buy him some booze. Why would I trade a Lexus for a Studebaker?
You wrote: “I meant it in the sense the book of Hebrews meant it. Jews who left Judaism for Christ, now apostatizing, going back to that which they had come out of. Leaving Christ for a Christ-less religion.”
Okay, and how is that any different than: “referring to those who... turn their backs on Christ...”
Does the basket hold half a dozen apples or six apples? Isn’t that the same thing?
“Awwww. You hope I come to a “deep and abiding faith in J.C.”. You are whistling in the wind, my poor deluded fool.”
Nope. I am neither deluded nor a fool and I certainly am not whistling in the wind. You’ll come to have know Christ whether you like it or not. I just hope you have faith in Him NOW or SOON so you don’t come to know Him only as JUDGE later on when it is too late for you. We’re all sinners and someone who makes as many false accusations over and over again as you do has plenty to explain to that Judge.
“Go peddle your nonsense on the street corner.”
Nothing I have said is nonsense and if it is nonsense than so is Judaism for all Jews for all time have awaited the Messiah (Who has already come).
“Maybe some wino will take you up on it—if you buy him some booze. Why would I trade a Lexus for a Studebaker?”
I would take a 1954 Studebaker Champion over any Lexus any day. http://www.kumberamotors.com/vehicles/listing/1954-studebaker-champion-show-car-chopped-top/ And all that last comment of yours shows is that you apparently know as little about cars as you apparently know about God. I was right all along and never once said a single word about forcibly converting anyone. Just remember that you were wrong about that.
Vlad, I hope you'll come to know J*sus by being "saved" before you die and fry in hell for being Catholic. The Protestant religion is true, and I can prove it this way: the Protestant religion says so! There! Doesn't that prove that the Protestant religion is true? Of course it does! That means if you don't become a Protestant right this minute that you're just a big meanie who knows better but is too proud to do what he knows is right.
You're all hypocrites.
I respect your belief and your commandment not to spell out "God" (although I note that the Ten Commandments do not follow that convention). My sincere desire is to know whether or not I -- and my Rabbi friend -- are incorrect in saying that God's name is not "God". Many thanks & regards.
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