Posted on 09/01/2015 3:53:50 AM PDT by NYer
Who are you, little man, to JUDGE the pope?
Oh?
It looks like half of you FR CATHOLICS are the angry ones!
Mary was a bit closer to the event.
And wasn’t all of this done at the cross? Colossians 1:13-14 iirc.
For whatever reason, Pope Francis chose to start it on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (8 December 2015) and end it on the Feast of Christ the King (20 November 2016).
Yes....let's keep that perspective.
Jesus = Creator, eternal existence, sinless
Mary = created being, sinful
Interesting observation. I think though that the “Year of Mercy” revolves around a liturgical year which aren’t necessarily exact calendar years. They are the span of time between when Advent begins between one year and the next, a span of time that’s not always 365 days.
That is very close to the rubrics for Confession in the Antiochian Orthodox Church:
“My spiritual child, who hast confessed to my humble self, I, humble and a sinner, have not power on earth to forgive sins, but God alone. Yet through that divinely spoken word which came to the Apostles after the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, saying, Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted, and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained, we too are emboldened to say: Whatsoever thou hast said to my most humble self, and whatsoever thou hast not succeeded in saying, either through ignorance or forgetfulness, whatever it may be, God forgive thee in this present life and that which is to come.
God it was Who forgave David through Nathan the Prophet when he confessed his sins, and Peter weeping bitterly for his denial, and the sinful woman in tears at His feet, and the Publican, and the Prodigal Son, may that same God forgive things, through me, a sinner, both in this present world and that which is to come, and set thee uncondemned before His dread seat.
And now, having no further care for the sins which thou hast declared, depart in peace.”
Such a wonderful Mystery our God has given us through His Holy Church!
I guess you need to familiarize yourself with scripture - John 20:21-23
Could it be that God is calling His children to full unity because the days are getting darker?
Should have had made this a Catholic caucus thread.
In the catholic mindset how did she obtain forgiveness.....if she could?
I’m finding numerous articles that are saying roman catholic priests are already forgiving this sin. How is this different?
Amen.
As always, some context is key to understanding what's happening in this passage.
1Then the LORD sent Nathan to David. And he came to him and said, “There were two men in one city, the one rich and the other poor. 2“The rich man had a great many flocks and herds. 3“But the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb Which he bought and nourished; And it grew up together with him and his children. It would eat of his bread and drink of his cup and lie in his bosom, And was like a daughter to him. 4“Now a traveler came to the rich man, And he was unwilling to take from his own flock or his own herd, To prepare for the wayfarer who had come to him; Rather he took the poor man’s ewe lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.” 5Then David’s anger burned greatly against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the LORD lives, surely the man who has done this deserves to die. 6“He must make restitution for the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing and had no compassion.” 7Nathan then said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, ‘It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8‘I also gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these! 9‘Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon. 10‘Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’ 11“Thus says the LORD, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12‘Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.’” 13Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said to David, “The LORD also has taken away your sin; you shall not die. 14“However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.” 15So Nathan went to his house.
(2 Samuel 12:1-15 NASB)
Nothing in this account is remotely close to what roman catholics claim regarding forgiveness.
We never see Nathan tell David that he has absolved him of his sins....it is the Lord who has forgiven David.
Now compare to the catholic confession to a priest.
"I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Some will try to claim the son dying is penance.
No.
This was nothing David had any part in. It was entirely the Lord's doing as noted in verse 15.
The reason for the boy dying is stated in verse 14.....so that the enemies of the Lord shall not have a means to blaspheme.
But also notice how quickly the Lord forgave David. One David acknowledged his sin against the Lord Nathan told David the Lord had taken away his sin.
When we confess our sins before Christ he is sure to forgive and quick to forgive.
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9 NASB).”
He also removes our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12).
God works through those who serve Him.
God can do all things.
No disagreement with that as it is noted in His Word.
What is “essentially schismatic”?
Is that like “partially pregnant”?
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