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Taking his seat in the temple of God
triablogue ^ | December 10, 2014 | Steve Hayes

Posted on 06/21/2015 8:10:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7

Taking his seat in the temple of God


For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God…9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders (2 Thes 2:3-4,9). 
There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God (WCF 25.6).

1) Traditionally, Protestants identified the papacy with the Antichrist. This post is not defending that identification. I think various individuals and institutions can exemplify the "spirit of the Antichrist" (1 Jn 4:3). 

My immediate point is not to discussion the traditional Protestant view of the papacy, but to discuss some allegations from Catholic sources–allegations which, ironically mirror the traditional Protestant identification.

In his homily given on the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul on June 29, 1972, Pope Paul VI made a famous remark about the “smoke of Satan” entering into the temple of God. The full text of the homily was not reproduced in the Vatican collection of Paul VI’s teachings (Insegnamenti di Paulo VI Vol. X, 1972). Instead, a summary of the homily was given. Within the summary, however, there are some direct quotes from the Pontiff. Two of these are memorable for their references to Satan and the preternatural. 
The Holy Father asserts that he has the feeling that “from some fissure the smoke of Satan has entered into the temple of God” (da qualche fessura sia entrato il fumo di Satana nel tempio di Dio (Insegnamenti [1972], 707). 
Later, he is quoted as saying: “We believe … that something preternatural has come into the world specifically to disturb, to suffocate the fruits of the Ecumenical Council, and to prevent the Church from breaking out in a hymn of joy for having recovered in fullness the awareness of herself (Crediamo … in qualcosa di preternaturale venunto nel mondo proprio per turbare, per soffocare i frutti del Concilio Ecumenico, e per impedire che la Chiesa prorompesse nell’inno della gioia di aver riavuto in pienezza la coscienza di sé (Insegnamenti [1972], 708).
(notes and translations by R. Fastiggi) 
In his general audience of Nov. 15, 1972, Paul VI addressed in more detail the reality of the Devil. He stated that one of the greatest needs of the Church today is the defense against that evil we call the Devil. (Insegnamenti [1972], 1168-1173). 
http://pblosser.blogspot.com/2009/02/paul-vi-on-smoke-of-satan-june-29-1972.html

Taken in isolation, the first statement about "Satan's smoke" could be purely figurative. However, the subsequent reference to "something preternatural," as well as his general audience about the reality of the devil, suggests that his statement about "Satan's smoke" did have reference to Satanic activity. 

And what's the sphere of Satanic activity? He glosses that in terms of opposition to the Vatican II Council. That might also explain the reference to the "temple of God," since formal sessions of the Council took place in the native of St. Peter's Basilica.

Obviously, Paul VI isn't suggesting that Satan is the real power behind the papal throne. Nevertheless, this is an oddly self-incriminating statement for the pope to make about the headquarters of his own denomination.  

Are there men of the curia who are followers of satan? "Certainly there are priests and bishops. I stop at this level of ecclesiastical hierarchy - (Archbishop Milingo) said - because i am an archbishop, higher than this I cannot go." 
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr54/cr54pg11.asp
Emmanuel Milingo became an embarrassment to the Vatican. I believe he was subsequently excommunicated and laicized. Due to the prevalence of witchcraft in Africa, he was a strong proponent of exorcism or "deliverance ministry." 
One can certainly question his credibility. However, I'm not the one who made him an archbishop of the Roman Catholic church. To the extent that he's a quack, that reflects poorly on the discernment of the Magisterium, which elevated him to its own ranks. 

Next, let's consider some statements by the late Martin Malachi. He had an impressive resume: 

He received doctorates from the universities of Louvain and Oxford and from Hebrew University in Jerusalem…he became Professor of Palaeontology and Semitic Languages at the prestigious Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome and was a theological adviser to Cardinal Augustin Bea, the head of the Vatican's Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity. 
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-malachi-martin-1110905.html
Among other things, he said: 
A. Windswept House is a novel. But it is 85 percent based on actual fact, and most of the personages appearing in it are real even though I have given them fictional names. 
Q. Your book [Windswept House] begins with a vivid description of a sacrilegious "Black Mass" held in 1963 in Charleston, South Carolina. Did this really happen? 
A. Yes it did. And the participation by telephone of some high officials of the church in the Vatican is also a fact. The young female who was forced to be a part of this satanic ritual is very much alive and, happily, has been able to marry and lead a normal life. She supplied details about the event. 
Q. In addition to the "Cardinal from Century City," you depict numerous other cardinals and bishops in a very bad light. Are these characterizations based on fact? 
A. Yes, among the cardinals and the hierarchy there are satanists, homosexuals, anti-papists, and cooperators in the drive for world rule. 
The Catholic Church in Crisis,” The New American, June 9, 1997. 
http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2940508.0 
Indeed Paul [Pope Paul VI] had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia—rites and practices— was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites. The Keys of This Blood.
This requires some sifting. With reference to the Black Mass in South Carolina, I believe he's alluding to an allegation concerning Bishop Russell and Joseph Bernardin. There is some partial, independent corroboration of this incident:
Among the hundreds of clerical sex abusers is one Msgr. Frederick J. Hopwood, a priest of the Diocese of Charleston, S.C., whose early career was closely linked to Bernardin's; and when Hopwood's sex abuse victims pressed damages against the Diocese of Charleston, attorneys for the Archdiocese of Chicago, during Bernardin's tenure, worked out the terms of settlement.
In March, 1994, six months before a former Cincinnati seminarian named Steven Cook publicly accused Bernardin of sexual abuse, newspapers in South Carolina reported that nine men had come forward to accuse Hopwood of sexual abuse in cases dating back to the 1950s.
On March 21st, 1994, Hopwood pleaded guilty to one charge of sex abuse, performed on a minor while Hopwood was rector of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist sometime in 1970-1971, in a plea agreement that put him in a therapy program instead of jail.
About the same time that Hopwood was making the news in Charleston, The Wanderer received an anonymous "fact sheet" (subsequently investigated and substantiated) that drew connections between Bernardin and Hopwood.
Both men, who were roommates at the Charleston seminary, were ordained by the late Bishop John J. Russell of Charleston (1950-1958), later bishop of Richmond; Hopwood in 1951, Bernardin in 1952. Bishop Russell was himself accused of sexual abuse.
Immediately upon Hopwood's Ordination, Russell appointed him chancellor of the diocese, a post at which he served for a few years, with Bernardin coming on as assistant chancellor in 1953, and replacing Hopwood as chancellor in 1954.
For much of the time until Bernardin was named in 1966 as an auxiliary bishop of Atlanta under his mentor, Archbishop Paul J. Hallinan, who had been bishop of Charleston from 1958-1962, Bernardin and Hopwood resided together at the cathedral rectory.
What made the Hopwood pedophilia case of more than just passing interest was the involvement of attorneys from Mayer, Brown, and Platt, the Archdiocese of Chicago's law firm, which brokered the settlement for some of Hopwood's victims.
According to an attorney familiar with the cases against Hopwood, "he was not your ordinary pedophile. He did hundreds and hundreds of boys, and I can't imagine Bernardin not being aware of it, since they lived together for such a long time.”
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news/1998_06_18_Likoudis_EpiscopalScandal.htm
The allegation of a satanic enthronement ceremony at the Vatican occurs in both his nonfiction book (The Keys of This Blood) and his historical novel (Windswept House). As a Vatican insider, who worked there from about 1958 until 1965, he might well be in position to know about Satanists at the Vatican conducting blasphemous ceremonies. 
However, I have reservations about the details of Malachi's allegation:
i) The allegation about the South Carolinian incident seems to trade on the craze of recovered memories involving ritual satanic abuse and/or sexual abuse. So I find that suspect. 
ii) Sodomy and heterosexual rape are hardly interchangeable. But perhaps the motivation wouldn't be so much sexual as sacrilegious.
iii) There's the question of relative chronology. Were these in fact simultaneous events, or does his synchronization reflect artistic license in writing a historical novel? 
Finally:
In a book of memoirs released in February, the noted Italian exorcist Fr. Gabriele Amorth affirmed that "Yes, also in the Vatican there are members of Satanic sects." When asked if members of the clergy are involved or if this is within the lay community, he responded, "There are priests, monsignors and also cardinals!" 
The book, "Father Amorth. Memoirs of an Exorcist. My life fighting against Satan." was written by Marco Tosatti, who compiled it from interviews with the priest. 
Fr. Amorth was asked by Tosatti how he knows Vatican clergy are involved. He answered, "I know from those who have been able to relate it to me because they had a way of knowing directly." 
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/spanish_exorcist_addresses_claims_of_satanic_influence_in_vatican/

As the long-time (but now retired) Chief Exorcist of Rome, I'd expect Amorth to have extensive inside information about clerical satanism, both inside the Vatican and in the city of Rome, where many priests live and work. By that I mean, if it exists, he ought to know better than anyone. 

2) Whether or not we credit these specific allegations, we might assess their antecedent likelihood. If Satanists had access to venerable Christian shrines, it would not be surprising if they practice their rites there. The very point of the Black Mass is to defile sacred space. 

3) In addition, this concretely illustrates how something analogous to 2 Thes 2 could happen in modern times. The point is not whether a Catholic shrine is, in fact, the "temple of God," but to play on the symbolism, to offend traditional reverence, to use that as a foil to defile everything it represents–in the eyes of "the faithful." It could be the Vatican, Mount Athos, Santa Katarina, Canterbury cathedral, the Temple Mount, the Church of the Nativity, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Hallgrímskirkja, &c. 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholicism; hermeneutics; martinmalachi; papacy; prophecy
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To: MHGinTN

When it comes to restraint, I don’t necessarily associate the Holy Spirit restraining believers because in the tribulation many many people are brought to faith. Rather I believe the Holy Spirit stops restraining non-believers. Imagine everyone who is luke warm or hot, not having any guilt or standard of right or wrong, no twinge of consequence, no empathy, no little voice whispering in the right ear. That is what I envision.

God will never forsake me, even if I am to die, and how can I show who He is if the Holy Spirit is not indwelling to bear the fruit of His gifts? I believe in all the gifts, and seriously doubt He leaves the world in our darkest hour. To judge the world there has to be evidence of His power, and that will come from those using their gifts. IMHO.

Not backed by scripture, yet, but just seems to fit, if you know what I mean. Well, there is scripture. Jesus said that when we are arrested to not worry about what to say because the Holy Spirit will give us the words...Matt 10:19, Mark 13:11 and Luke 12:11 & 12. I think the tribulation will not only be terrifying in evil, but terrifying for non-believers who witness believers glorifying the One True God.


41 posted on 06/21/2015 12:47:33 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: sasportas

BTW, you added to the verse from Revelation. There is no ‘to the end’ in the Revelation verse you are trying to twist to your no rapture agenda. Jesus tells the Philadelphia Church that because they kept His command to endure, not endure to the end because He is telling them He is going to keep them from even the hour of testing. Adding to the Revelation wording is a no no, as I sure you realize.


42 posted on 06/21/2015 12:51:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: huldah1776

While we are in the body prior to receiving new bodies, God’s Spirit indwells those who faithe in Christ. Because the old nature inherited from Adam is still connected to this body and mind, His Presence acts to raise us up in the Way that we should go. That means He is restraining our walking in the Adamic flesh and teaching us to walk according to His Spirit, His Life in us, so the character of God leaks out through the behavior of the newborns as they are raised up in the way that they should go.


43 posted on 06/21/2015 12:56:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
your no rapture agenda.

I'm trying to back out and leave the hijacking to you, but I can't let you get away with this. I am Historic Premill, in contradistinction to Dispensationalist Premill (pretrib). We believe, as you, in the rapture, differing with you and pretribs only on WHEN the rapture is to take place... and how MANY 2nd comings there is.

We believe there is only one 2nd coming, as Jesus established in Matt. 24, rapture and resurrection, the gathering together to Christ in the air, upon his descent to the earth to reign over it in the millennial.

We believe in the rapture, your "no rapture agenda" is false, but it is a POST-trib rapture, and not a PREtrib one. Part and parcel of the SINGULAR 2nd coming of Christ, no such thing as TWO 2nd comings.

Continue with your hijacking...

44 posted on 06/21/2015 1:45:45 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
I remember it well. We were inundated with thread after thread here on the RF, Catholics exalting this Pope to the max, while a great many of us non-Catholics, including myself, warning that this man was a Marxist deceiver of the first order.

And for all our warning them, we were labeled *hater* and *anti-Catholic*.

Go figure.

You'd think that someone owes someone else an apology.

But I'm not holding my breath.

45 posted on 06/21/2015 1:51:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: sasportas

All of our discussion so far is related to the passages and theme of the thread essay. Have a great afternoon, and try not to get too warm out In the heat gripping the East presently.


46 posted on 06/21/2015 2:02:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

No, my post 18 and metmom’s post 45 are related to the subject of this thread. The subject is about who is this that “Takes his seat in the temple of God.” Isn’t that the name of the thread?

It’s about the identity of antichrist, not an alleged pretrib rapture.

Maybe you have something to say about the actual subject of this thread?


47 posted on 06/21/2015 2:20:13 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
May I use the passage from 2Thessalonians to address the man of sin, the lawless one? ;*)
48 posted on 06/21/2015 2:22:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Please do, I’d like to hear what you’ve got to say about it.

While you’ve been hijacking, I’ve been, in fact, doing just that. The one who ultimately takes his seat in the temple of God, according the ALL the ECF is an APOSTATE! Like what is going on as we speak, all around us...including this Pope. Men like Justin and Irenaeus were entirely spot on in identifying this one as “the man of apostasy.”

As a “Historic” Premill, if you’ll notice, we put great emphasis on what the ECF had to say about it, the historic. And not what modern “prophets” have conjured up about it.


49 posted on 06/21/2015 2:32:55 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: RnMomof7

Bookmark, for sure.


50 posted on 06/21/2015 4:56:37 PM PDT by Wiz-Nerd
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To: RnMomof7

Well, this became a catholic bashing thread from the first post.

Sad that more people won’t look at the complete picture.


51 posted on 06/21/2015 6:24:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Point taken. Do you believe there will be a snatching away of The Church of Jesus Christ before, during or at the end of the Tribulation period?


52 posted on 06/21/2015 6:40:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7

Jesus pointed out the infiltration in the Temple, Paul warned of it in the Church. This stuff is going to be happening until Jesus comes again. It is the job of every Christian to identify imposters and set them straight, or kick them out.


53 posted on 06/21/2015 8:17:13 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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To: Salvation
,Well, this became a catholic bashing thread from the first post. Sad that more people won’t look at the complete picture.

Sal is it "bashing" Catholics or Catholic doctrine ? There is a huge difference !

54 posted on 06/22/2015 8:31:14 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MHGinTN
"For all the saints and elect of God are gathered prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our siin." ['On The Last Times, the Antichrist and the End of the World' Ephraem of Nisibis (Ephraem The Syrian)]

Do you have a link or library reference for the quoted above? I searched and have not found one scholarly site which can produce an exact quote nor can affirm attribution.

55 posted on 06/22/2015 9:49:41 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: redleghunter

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/rapture-in-pseudo-ephraem


56 posted on 06/22/2015 9:53:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: redleghunter
Conclusion of Dr Ice's paper:

Conclusion

Regardless of what else the writer of this sermon believed, he did believe that all believers would be removed before the tribulation-a pre-trib rapture view. Thus, we have seen that those who have said that there was no one before 1830 who taught the pre-trib rapture position will have to revise their statements by well over 1,000 years. This statement does not prove the pre-trib position, only the Bible can do that, but it should change many people's historical views on the matter.

The entire paper is a fascinating read. The debate over the rapture has been going on since the days of Paul's mission trips.

57 posted on 06/22/2015 9:55:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: sasportas

Ping


58 posted on 06/22/2015 10:30:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks but everything has a footnote in that article but the actual quote from pseudo Ephraem. I searched the ECF and ANF library at CCEL and could not find it. Everyone quotes it but the source document is scarce to find.


59 posted on 06/22/2015 10:44:57 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: MHGinTN

I’ve read a few of Dr. Ice’s papers over the years. Some are very good but like all those prophecy ‘food fights’ he, as well as his opposition, tend to settle for taking pot shots at the opposing view and losing the focus of their argument.


60 posted on 06/22/2015 10:48:03 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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