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Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good?
http://www.wordonfire.org ^ | May 25, 2015 | Matt Nelson

Posted on 05/25/2015 3:25:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: RnMomof7

Read in the bible where it says “...do this in memory of me.”

Read John 6.

Still think it is fake magic?


21 posted on 05/25/2015 5:23:00 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Salvation

The Catholic Church is a force for good WORKS.


22 posted on 05/25/2015 5:24:00 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Salvation
homosexuality

didn't do so a good job in Ireland.

23 posted on 05/25/2015 5:34:06 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Old Yeller

James 2: 17-26 ...A stern warning from Saint James
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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
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For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


24 posted on 05/25/2015 5:43:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Old Yeller
As with all things.....context is key to understanding what James is saying.....btw....Paul used the same verse from Genesis in his arguments that we are saved apart from works of the Law.

What was Abraham saved by?

When was he saved?

Before or after circumcision?

Was the Law in place at this time?

From these simple questions it is clear Abraham did nothing to earn his salvation.

In Hebrews 11 what is noted about Abraham....faith or works?

Did he put his faith to use? Yes he did when God called him to offer Isaac. So what was his work?

Being obedient to God....which occurred AFTER him believing in God and God declaring him righteous.

So we see the process.....faith in Christ is what saves us....we follow Christ and His teachings on producing fruit as a result of our faith in Him.....not the other way around.

Mormons do a lot of "good" work....but they are not saved as they do not believe Christ.

Even athiests do "good" works....but those works do not save them anymore than they do the Mormon, or anyone outside of faith in Christ.

25 posted on 05/25/2015 6:11:50 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NKP_Vet

the Catholic church has been a force for good many times in history.


26 posted on 05/25/2015 6:28:59 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: ealgeone

You’re right, the Reformed countries have done so much better. The Netherlands is a paragon of Christian virtue.

Modernism is a blight that impacts every church.


27 posted on 05/25/2015 6:33:12 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: RnMomof7; impimp; aimhigh

Abbra cadabra ...


Actually, it’s:

Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to people of good will.

We praise you,
we bless you,
we adore you,
we glorify you,
we give you thanks for your great glory,

Lord God, Heavenly King,
O God, almighty Father.

Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son,
Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father,
You take away the sin of the world,
have mercy on us;
You take away the sin of the world,
receive our prayer;
You are seated at the right hand of the Father,
have mercy on us.

For you alone are the Holy One;
you alone are the Lord.
You alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ,
with the Holy Spirit,
in the glory of God, the Father.
Amen


28 posted on 05/25/2015 6:34:38 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: Old Yeller
The Catholic Church is a force for good WORKS.

Sure, homosexual and pedophile priests and an imbecile pope more interested in climate change and social and economic justice. Although my parents were catholic there is no way I would ever be part of this charade.

29 posted on 05/25/2015 6:38:45 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: impimp; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...

“...do this in memory of me.” is not the same as *do this TO me.*


30 posted on 05/25/2015 6:38:54 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NKP_Vet; Salvation; NYer; other
This is off-topic, I didn't want to post the whole story but I think it is important, it is a story that will amaze you.

The first Beatification on African Soil occurred this weekend.

Doesn't she look like an Angel.

Irene Stefani beatification draws Kenyan crowds - see the miracle attributed to her towards end of story.

wikipedia article

Anyway, I'm amazed, she was a selfless person. Some pages in Italian too on her and another one, Her order.

31 posted on 05/25/2015 6:39:32 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Salvation

You mean the Catholic church is finally going to get rid of its homosexual priests?

After how many thousand years?


32 posted on 05/25/2015 6:39:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

And how does the church you attend get rid of the child molesters?


33 posted on 05/25/2015 6:45:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

The more relevant question is has the RC church been a force for Christ. Nothing else matters.


34 posted on 05/25/2015 6:45:52 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Salvation

That isn’t an answer to the question.

Then again, maybe it is.

Red herrings = *No*


35 posted on 05/25/2015 6:49:41 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Shadow44
You’re right, the Reformed countries have done so much better. The Netherlands is a paragon of Christian virtue.

Modernism is a blight that impacts every church.

You do realize that catholicism is the largest religion in the Netherlands??

It amazes me the uninformed statements catholics make without checking before they post.

36 posted on 05/25/2015 7:13:35 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: BeadCounter
Give’em time and catholics will soon be praying to her as well.....maybe even seeing apparition's of her as they do “Mary”.
37 posted on 05/25/2015 7:15:45 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; BeadCounter; Salvation

I don’t think they can beatify anyone unless that person has at least ONE recipe to prepare on his/her saint day. See Salvation’s Caucus Thread on saint of the day or something like that. (Salvation I know it’s not called that, I just cannot remember the title right now, it’s that thread that has the saint, history on the saint, and recipes and activities to enjoy on that saint’s day).:)


38 posted on 05/25/2015 7:20:24 PM PDT by smvoice (I would explain it better, but I only know a few words...)
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To: ealgeone

Well, the Bible tells us all generations will call Mary blessed.

Maybe that leaves some of us out!


39 posted on 05/25/2015 7:22:04 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

The truth is, without the faith, we’d be bowing to Mecca too.


40 posted on 05/25/2015 7:23:36 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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