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To: Old Yeller

James 2: 17-26 ...A stern warning from Saint James
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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
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For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


24 posted on 05/25/2015 5:43:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Old Yeller
As with all things.....context is key to understanding what James is saying.....btw....Paul used the same verse from Genesis in his arguments that we are saved apart from works of the Law.

What was Abraham saved by?

When was he saved?

Before or after circumcision?

Was the Law in place at this time?

From these simple questions it is clear Abraham did nothing to earn his salvation.

In Hebrews 11 what is noted about Abraham....faith or works?

Did he put his faith to use? Yes he did when God called him to offer Isaac. So what was his work?

Being obedient to God....which occurred AFTER him believing in God and God declaring him righteous.

So we see the process.....faith in Christ is what saves us....we follow Christ and His teachings on producing fruit as a result of our faith in Him.....not the other way around.

Mormons do a lot of "good" work....but they are not saved as they do not believe Christ.

Even athiests do "good" works....but those works do not save them anymore than they do the Mormon, or anyone outside of faith in Christ.

25 posted on 05/25/2015 6:11:50 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation; ealgeone
If one believes he is saved or damned by his works , then one comforts oneself with the idea that "I am not as bad as my neighbor"

The Bible tells us "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That is the inspired word of God . It does not say that some have fallen short and some are "close"

May I quote James to you?

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

So a liar is also a murderer in Gods eyes.

No where does Jesus say or imply that one is saved by works.

The book of James was written to a converted church , not heathens seeking salvation It tells them how their conversion is seen by the unsaved world . It is not about becoming saved or being saved. It is about the fruit of your salvation.

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

The key word here is faith.. Faith PRODUCES WORKS..works do not produce faith ... Being saved by works only produces doubt... have I done enough? been good enough

James is an amplification of the teaching of Jesus that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. It is how we know the saved from the unsaved. It does not declare that the man has faith ...but that he SAYS he has faith.

This addresses a hollow profession of faith , not a saving one .Can a hollow profession save him? NO, any more than works can save.This scripture says to the church that this faith is non existent , it is dead.

The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

110 posted on 05/26/2015 8:38:46 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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