Beating this dead horse will never make it true
Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:59 PM PDT by NYer
There is only one God of Abraham, and He is worshipped in error by both Jews and Moslems as they fall short of recognizing His Revelation yet both cling to their faith, knowing, at least, that there is only one God, the God of Abraham, who sent His prophets to the children of Israel. Both reject Jesus as the Son of God and God the Son, although this does not seem to be your stumbling block, or is it ?
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
Your credibility as "certified" takes hit after hit.
Try saying “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” instead. It helps clarify.
Beating this dead horse will never make it true
I’m genuinely curious about something:
Since you all answered “no” to my question “The phrase ‘be it done to me according to thy word’ is not equivalent to saying ‘yes’?”,(Cynical Bear didn’t specifically but he anticipated the question apparently) do any/all of you believe she was the only human being in history to have no free will, or do you reject the dogma of free will entirely?
In other words, do you believe you have the ability to say “no” to God, resist His will personally, but reject that as a possibility in Mary’s case? Or do you believe no one has the ability to resist God’s will?
Thanks,
Does that make a difference to you ?
The Moslems also believe the one true God is "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," revering all three of the Jewish Patriarchs. Do you ?
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>> “This statement does not show much confidence in the average Christian having a good understanding of the Trinity.” <<
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The “Trinity” is something from the mind of man. It is not found anywhere in scripture.
The phrase “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” was not in any of the original writings of the NT, but was added in centuries after the original writings.
Luke’s original Acts of the Apostles said only “in the name of Yeshua.”
All that we do must be done in the name of Yeshua, or we have no authority to do it. It was Yeshua that paid the price, and opened the door to the Father, and sent his Holy Spirit to us to comfort us.
If the Father wanted us to babble about a “Trinity” he would have told us to do so in his word. The fact that he didn’t says volumes about this feckless diversion from the word.
Springfield is correct, that the word “God” implies all of the essence of “Elohim.” The power of “God” is the power of the Father. The power to judge was given by the Father to the Son. The Son sent us his Holy Spirit. These are what we need to know, and thus are all we are given to know.
Paul indicates that someday we will know more, but we will have to wait until we “know as we are known.”
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That’s because, as this sub-par Christian can testify, most Christians do not nor can they ever admit to fully understanding the makeup of Almighty God. I question ANY person who says they do.
I agree that no one can fully understand the makeup of Almighty God. But Scripture reveals enough for us to understand that Jesus is God, whole and entire, and because of this, Mary as the mother of Jesus is the mother of God, whole and entire.
I realize that we can go round and round on this ad infinitum, so this will be my last word on it.
I believe that Mary as the mother of Jesus is the mother of God.
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>> Since you all answered “no” to my question “The phrase ‘be it done to me according to thy word’ is not equivalent to saying ‘yes’?” <<
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Like most catholics you impute much power to mere men.
Mary could have said anything, but it would not have modified the events that were declared by Gabriel.
He did not ask that she agree, and had she objected, he likely would have silenced her as he did to Zecharias when Zecharias demurred the naming of his soon to be son “John.”
Mary was not a “Co-Planner” with the Father.
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>> “Scripture reveals enough for us to understand that Jesus is God, whole and entire, and because of this, Mary as the mother of Jesus is the mother of God, whole and entire.” <<
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That statement is blasphemy!
The Father has no mother, nor does the eternal Logos have a mother. Only the human boy that died for his kinsmen has a mother.
God has no mother nor does one single word of scripture say that God has a mother.
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The plain word of God is not a horse, dead or otherwise.
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Luke 1: 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.” 38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
"be it to me according to the word of you" is the exact phrase. Mary was no different than any other true believe in saying "thy will be done".
Would you please give you proof of that?
YEP....Better they should read the bible ..
Speaking of other imposters, have you ever dealt with the INC? (Iglesia ni Cristo) That has got to be one of the worst, and most pernicious cults on earth. If you think the RCC is hard to deal with, you haven't seen anything yet. I believe there are probably more Muzzies coming out of Islam and getting saved than there are INC members doing the same. I have only ever known of ONE. I am sure there might be others, but not many. There is no doubt in my mind who spawned the INC.
Sorta reminds me of 6th graders thinking they can play in the NFL.
“The question we must ask is how many verses of the Bible has the Roman Catholic Church infallibly interpreted? This is an important question, because logically speaking it means that whichever verses the Roman Catholic Church has not infallibly interpreted, means that it has interpreted them fallibly. Logically, there are only two options: infallibility and fallibility. There can be no third option. We must have either one or the other when it comes to interpretation of God’s word. If the Roman Catholic Church claims to be the infallible interpreter, then shouldn’t it infallibly interpret Scripture and declare to the world exactly what verses mean?
I have been unable to find a list of the verses the Roman Catholic Church has infallibly interpreted. My repeated questioning into this has resulted in a consistency of statements from Roman Catholics that the number of verses infallibly interpreted by the Roman Catholic Church is less than 10 . . . less than 10 in 2,000 years!
The Old Testament has 23,214 verses and the New Testament has 7,959 verses. That is a total of 31,173 verses. So, if the RCC has interpreted, let’s be generous and say 10 verses infallibly, that would mean that it has fallibly interpreted 31,163 verses. That is .003% infallibility and 99.097% fallibility. Those aren’t good odds for a church that has the absolute authority of God, true apostolic succession, sacred tradition, the Pope, and 2,000 years of existence. So, it appears, at best, the Roman Catholic Church can infallibly interpret one Bible verse every 200 years. At this rate it would take 6,232,600 years to infallibly interpret the entire Bible.
https://carm.org/fallibility-infallibility
Do you wonder why your church would hide the verses they have “infallibly”interpreted?? Doesn’t the world need them?
We can make a good guess at the handful,, can’t we??
The angel came to ANNOUNCE to Mary that she would be the mother of the Savior.. He never asked her if she would..
She was ordained by God to be the mother of His Son ..
It was essential that the mother have the proper genealogy to fulfill the OT prophecy , it was essential she be a virgin ...it was essential that she be engaged to a man with the proper genealogy ..
But here is the part that trips up the Romanists when they insists that Mary could have said no... their own "doctrine"...would God revoke her "immaculate conception"?? what would he do..dump sin on her?? And then who would He find to be the mother? Were there other choices of "immaculate conceptions " out there or would he have to start from scratch and wait another generation... OHHH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE...
There are many gods.. ..read the bible ....God Himself said there are many gods... Jesus said there would be false Jesus's
How can you call yourself teacher if you do not know or understand this?
Remember the golden calf?
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