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To: CynicalBear; metmom; Syncro; Elsie

I’m genuinely curious about something:

Since you all answered “no” to my question “The phrase ‘be it done to me according to thy word’ is not equivalent to saying ‘yes’?”,(Cynical Bear didn’t specifically but he anticipated the question apparently) do any/all of you believe she was the only human being in history to have no free will, or do you reject the dogma of free will entirely?

In other words, do you believe you have the ability to say “no” to God, resist His will personally, but reject that as a possibility in Mary’s case? Or do you believe no one has the ability to resist God’s will?

Thanks,


705 posted on 04/22/2015 7:49:55 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven; CynicalBear; metmom; Syncro; Elsie

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>> Since you all answered “no” to my question “The phrase ‘be it done to me according to thy word’ is not equivalent to saying ‘yes’?” <<

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Like most catholics you impute much power to mere men.

Mary could have said anything, but it would not have modified the events that were declared by Gabriel.

He did not ask that she agree, and had she objected, he likely would have silenced her as he did to Zecharias when Zecharias demurred the naming of his soon to be son “John.”

Mary was not a “Co-Planner” with the Father.
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709 posted on 04/22/2015 8:07:54 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FourtySeven; metmom; Syncro; Elsie
That's a nice looking rabbit trail but a rabbit trail non the less.

Luke 1: 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.” 38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

"be it to me according to the word of you" is the exact phrase. Mary was no different than any other true believe in saying "thy will be done".

713 posted on 04/22/2015 8:19:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: FourtySeven
do any/all of you believe she was the only human being in history to have no free will, or do you reject the dogma of free will entirely?

What a nice attempt at a diversion.

Do not you CATHOLICs claim that humans have LIMITED free will?

786 posted on 04/22/2015 2:24:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FourtySeven
In other words, do you believe you have the ability to say “no” to God, resist His will personally, but reject that as a possibility in Mary’s case?

Ain't speculatin' FUN!

DO not go beyond what is written!

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6

787 posted on 04/22/2015 2:26:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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