So you can have the schoolyard all to yourself??
Posted on 03/26/2015 5:03:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
1. You are being too smart by half.
2. Jesus was fully man and fully God.
3. God is omnipotent. He does what he wants and can do anything he wants.
4. If a modern man with strong knowledge of science and biology were to go back in time to the time of Christ or the patriarchs he could be treated as a god. That does not make him god.
5. God supplied the Y. That is why it is called a miracle.
6. I believe every statement above.
The only thing I disagree with in that statement is that I see it as two kinds of life and two kinds of death.
Type one: the body, including the software that runs on the computer called the brain. This software in humans is called a soul. In animals it is the equivalent of artificial intelligence and called “instinct”.
Type two: The spirit. And the spirit is what is destroyed at the second death, if that is one’s fate.
IF you would agree that God The Father Almighty is righteous, fully and totally righteous and that no unrighteousness can be in His presence lest it taint His Righteousness, then we can get somewhere in this exchange. Can you agree to that?
Rnmomof7, thanks for the ping.
Ealgeone,
Excellent analysis! Many thanks!
This part of the article got my attention :
“... ‘Brothers’ (adelphoi) never means ‘cousins’ in New Testament Greek” (1976,1:181,emp. added). Indeed,the Greek language had a separate and distinct word for “cousins”—anepsioi ....”
That, plus your observation leads to my answer to the question posed by the article....
YES.
Mary had children by Joseph, and they were Jesus’ half siblings.
o Physical: the union of the soul and spirit of a human with the body in the earthly sphere
o Spiritual: the union of the soul and spirit of a human with The God through the reconciliation made possible by Jesus as our High Priest offering His Blood on the true Mercyseat of Heaven to completely satisfy The God's righteous demands so that The Father could forgive our sins, hold guiltless, and offer sonship to all those who completely and persistently trust on Jesus as both Lord and Christ
oEternal: the reunion of the soul and spirit of the obedient, Christ-trusting human with the new body which shall never die again, in union with The God in His Paradise of Heaven, to enjoy Him forever
Three kinds of death:
o Physical: Physical death is the separation of the soul and spirit of the human from the body (Heb. 9:27)
o Spiritual: the separation of the soul and spirit of a human from The God, a state into which the human is born (Eph. 2:1-5) but from which the human can be rescued by an unchangable belief on the Lord Jesus Christ resulting in new birth in the Spirit (Jn. 3:3, 5, 16)
o Eternal: the permanent rejoining of the disobedient human with the old sin-ridden body, separated from any fellowship from God or other beings forever and joining the devil and his fallen angels in a place of torment, the Eternal Lake of Fire, the terminal repository of death and Hell (Rom. 6:23; Rev. 21:8, 20:10-15; Mt. 25:41)
At the crucifixion the Man Jesus suffered an agonizing sacrificial substitutionary death, experiencing both the wrath of humans because He represented Himself as God, and the wrath of The God on behalf of all humankind, for three hours of earthly time, but infinitely in the Lake of Fire in Eternal time.
This is the price of forgiveness obtained for us by the wounding to bloodshed, death, and roasting which The God requires for atonement to be effected and remission of sins to be proffered (Num. 15:25-26). The penalty for sinning is burning in the outer darkness of the Lake of Fire in flames and brimstone forever.
This is the punishment due Adam and all his flesh, excepting those who have trusted in the Messiah to come, and it must be paid.
I’d suggest staying OFF of open RF threads if that is the case.Go away! You are annoying....
I am not taking issue with your effort or desire to point out the fantasy associated to The Mother of Jesus by Catholicism. I AM OBJECTING STRENUOUSLY and now repeatedly with your obscene method of doing it. I'm a Christian old man and I find your little scene obscene in the main, and it is using the Mother of Jesus to construct your little obscenity. I will not repeat my onject again after this post, since I believe you are intentionally ignoring what I am objecting to, for what reason I cannot fathom and frankly no longer care. I am offended at your use of Mary in the little scene you wrote. We all know you were referring to The Mother of Jesus with your little juvenile scene and I would bet even money that many have found that little pique offensive. And I would bet there are Protestants not just Catholics who find your methodology offensive.
As you may recall, I have had a few 'exchanges' with Catholics regarding the conception of Jesus and Mary's Magnificat. I do not fabricate some little crass scene to carry out my debate with them, especially no scene which would be an obscene use of He memory. You, on the other hand ...
Ah; I get it!
And, using these facts; the Catholic church has conjured up all kinds of things that GOD 'could have done' as thou HE has done them.
If a Prot questions this, they retort, "Who are you to question that GOD could not do that?"
So you can have the schoolyard all to yourself??
I have quite plainly explained that the Morther of Jesus is NOT used; and you refuse to accept it.
The Mary of the Roman CAtholic Church is being 'used'.
I'll bet that there were some Pharisees and money changers that found Jesus' methods offensive; too.
So you can have the schoolyard all to yourself??[fingers in ears] I'm not listening to you, Elsie. I'm busy drying Mary's tears.
Catholic writings have said exactly that - that ALL graces come through Mary, that she is the "Dispenser of all graces". So, if we don't go to Mary, that must mean we can't have saving grace. You can see why such beliefs were not universally held and only became "official" Roman Catholic dogma within the last few centuries.
I think there is a far better case for hell being a place of eternal torment than there is for what is called "annihilation". If the lost have only eternal nothingness to look forward to, I don't see how that could be something for them to fear and propel them to saving faith in Christ. Atheists, for example, have said they can think of nothing BETTER than to cease to exist rather than be "tortured" with having to praise Almighty God for eternity. Hell is called a place of torment, a final judgment, something that cannot be escaped, that is unceasing. People who believe in ultimate annihilation for the condemned will NOT have the sense of urgency to rescue the perishing through evangelization. They will not be compelled to preach the gospel as we are commanded to do. Jesus warned - and we should not think he was kidding:
If the lost have only eternal nothingness to look forward to, I don’t see how that could be something for them to fear and propel them to saving faith in Christ.
If the lost have only eternal nothingness to look forward to, I don’t see how that could be something for them to fear and propel them to saving faith in Christ.
The body is dead. There is no “rejoining” of the body to the spirit. It’s gone. Same is true for the believer. The believer gets a new body. The non-believer is destroyed. It’s why the bible calls it the second death.
The bible uses the words “death” or “die” a LOT to describe the fate of the lost. Starting in Genesis.
I don’t agree with your approach, but I already hinted that I don’t want to be a part of hijacking the audience of this Mary/children theme. I guess I should have saved my comments for whenever you bring it up again. Let me respectfully suggest that you find an appropriate source embodying this concept and post it as a primary nucleus.
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