Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

Apologetics Press ^ | 2003 | Dave Miller, Ph.D.

[Iscool]

Nah, she’s just the mother of God, that’s all.

God don't have a mother...

[Iscool]

But has to do with the fact that the Bible does not say that the ones called brothers and sisters are Marys children.

This is Jesus speaking in the Psalms...

Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

This is part of the prayer that Jesus was praying to God just before the Crucifixion...

[Blood of Tyrants]

fool

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

...they were step children...

And you are SURE of this...

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You can’t have your goddess behaving like a normal married woman.

[imardmd1]

With all respect, this reply does not seem to be responsive to the question I asked, which is:

"So does this mean it would be sinful to have children with your marriage partner?"

The simplest response would have been "Yes, it would be sinful" or "No, it would not be sinful"; hopefully with an explanatory clause regarding Joseph and Mary.

[imardmd1]

Excellent point on this Messianic Psalm.

[ravenwolf]

My older brothers were hero`s my younger ones were nuts they, were probably older brothers

[Elsie]

God is first above all holy (righteous)

This is pretty close; But I'd say above all;

God is God!

Tell them I AM sent you...

[Elsie]

You used the Mother of Jesus as your fob to ridicule the Catholic concept of His Mother.

Who ELSE would I use??

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Pleading ignorance is not really convincing, especially from one as intelligent and scholarly on the Bible.

I have?

I'm pleading PURPOSE.

[Elsie]

You used the Mother of Jesus as your fob to ridicule the Catholic concept of His Mother.

Catholicism has used the Mother of Jesus as the starting point to create the Catholic concept of His Mother: a blatantly inaccurate picture.

All the "she's not portrayed that way in the BIBLE" doesn't seem to penetrate the thick layer of Roman indoctrination that Catholics cling to; so I resort to a ball bat to get their attention.

As you've seen; many heads explode when alternative, ACCURATE descriptions of the woman Rome built are used.

I just find it strange that a Protestant would want me to QUIT pointing this out.

[Elsie]

So if Mary was no sinless and exempt from original sin, would not having sexual intercourse after giving birth of the Lord, be a contradiction ?

Well...

...if sexual intercourse is considered SIN; you might be right.

[Elsie]

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I guess Rome's Mary is NOT the second EVE!

[Elsie]

There is no way the Greek word for sister could mean any other thing than, sister...

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The usual word in the Greek language for “brother” is adelphos.

Philadelphia: the city of Brothery Love

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Well; it COULD mean: the city of COUSINLY love; too!

[Elsie]

IIRC, Joseph (the OT one) didn’t fare too well with HIS brothers, either!

[Popman]

...if sexual intercourse is considered SIN; you might be right.

Within a covenant marriage of course not...

My point in using the Adam and Eve narrative is before they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they were sinless and unafraid of God. After they understand the concept of shame...

Since Mary is now considered "preserved exempt from all stain of original sin." ... the fall of man

Mary now is free from "knowledge of good and evil" ?

To know what good and evil are, you have to understand what "sin" is...

[Popman]

"So does this mean it would be sinful to have children with your marriage partner?"

Of course not, within the bounds of a covenant marriage...

I didn't mean to confuse you, but if Mary is now considered "preserved exempt from all stain of original sin." ... the fall of man...that would mean she is no longer has knowledge of good and evil in a pre-fall of man condition...

Gen 3:16 was a condition placed by God on all women after the fall of man...

[imardmd1]

that would mean she is no longer has knowledge of good and evil in a pre-fall of man condition...

Ah, whose opinion is this?

How can you live in a society that is based on the Law as received from God by Moses and not discern both good and evil? For Mary to be sinless, she must have obeyed both the moral and ceremonial aspects. Did she not say, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

Doesn't this imply that she knows it would not be good to "know" a man--even her espoused husband--during the espousal time?

I would think this theory would run into a lot of opposition.

[Popman]

Mary never claimed to be "preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."

The Catholic Church did...

To me, it's really, really simple:

If you are "preserved exempt from all stain of original sin." which is the fall of man in the Garden, you are now free from the "knowledge of good and evil"...

Either Mary is sinless or a sinner...

It can't be both...

[imardmd1]

It can't be both...

Right. The Bible account says Mary was a sinner. The Romanist interpretation is wrong.

[ravenwolf]

This is Jesus speaking in the Psalms...

Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother’s children.

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The saying is that if the shoe fits wear it, but I will have to admit I don`t know..

It is said that David was referring to himself.
VS 5..O God thou knowest my foolishness and my sins are not hid from thee.

the very next verse is supposed to be referring to Jesus.
...VS 21 - 23...They gave me also gall for my meat and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink..

So although I don`t know anything, I am almost as Leary of this as I am the song of Solomon having any thing to do with Jesus..