Posted on 03/26/2015 5:03:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
And you are SURE of this...
...how?
OK...
No, obesity was pretty rare back then ...
I am related to a recently wed widower, aged 52 who has a newborn son.
Hahahahahaha! Oh, hee ha ha! You’re pretty funneee, Els!
idiot
Without disrespecting you, I'd rather not take this thread to debate the suffering issue. I'm not ducking it, but my response would take into account that:
(1) there are three kinds of life and three kinds of death; that
(2) we are not dogs, but can be taught abstractly; that
(3) the whole world is already condemned; and that
(4) like Melcizedec, God is first above all holy (righteous) and after that merciful (God of peace) to humans that have heard the gospel and believed.
You may THINK you are only dissing the Catholic Church Mary, but that is not the way you come across and not the way I took it. You used the Mother of Jesus as your fob to ridicule the Catholic concept of His Mother. Pleading ignorance is not really convincing, especially from one as intelligent and scholarly on the Bible. As your friend I’m asking you to knock it off.
Very simply, God preexisted and created Mary. Mary did not preexist nor create God. That is the logic and it is spiritual. Take it or leave it, whatever else you want to rationalize.
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."
So if Mary was no sinless and exempt from original sin, would not having sexual intercourse after giving birth of the Lord, be a contradiction ?
Necessity is the mother of invention ...
IF you would agree that God The Father Almighty is righteous, fully and totally righteous and that no unrighteousness can be in His presence lest it taint His Righteousness, then we can get somewhere in this exchange. Can you agree to that?
I do not understand what the following means, in terms of the above:
So if Mary was no sinless and exempt from original sin, would not having sexual intercourse after giving birth of the Lord, be a contradiction ?
So does this mean it would be sinful to have children with your marriage partner?
Could you please make a statement of your point?
Thanks --
The word used is "preserved" at least to me, means she was continuing in a sinless state...
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 ¶ And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
PLUS, the Catholic religion ignores the fact that Jesus had sisters as well...There is no way the Greek word for sister could mean any other thing than, sister...
Since when was the mother of Jesus made higher than the angels...Jesus was created lower than the angels...
Was Mary separated from her father??? Jesus did NOT say, Come unto US'...He said, 'Come unto me'...
Nothing in the bible indicates they were step brothers...
Also why they never showed Jesus the respect that normally a younger brother would show for an older brother, because they were probably older.
They didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah...They thought he was nuts...THAT is what the bible tells us...
Sez who???
I thought it was funny...And I’ll bet if Mary had read it, she’d have gotten a chuckle as well...
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