Rejecting Mariology

Two-Edged Sword ^ | February 05, 2007 | Lee

[goodwithagun]

HAC is a lot less wordy than my name for them: Westboro Wing of the Free Republic Evangelical Dispensationlist Caucus of the Free Repubulic Religious Forum.

[daniel1212]

Those are her last words in the Bible. Do you do whatever her Son says?

I try, but RCs manifest do not, but follow inventions of men , and disobey 1Cor. 4:6 in thinking of mortals above that which is written.

[daniel1212]

The modern meaning of the word "worship" is what used to be meant by the word "adoration"

The Bible describes worship, and its descriptions, which is more than bowing, indict Catholics as idolators.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them.

Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

They should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Instead Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

[Mrs. Don-o]

Foster Father of the Savior; Patron of the Universal Church

[daniel1212]

Ask yourself. Why not one word about Mary after Pentecost?

In the Bible, you mean? I ask, because Protestants have a tendency to ignore Church history

That is an error, as Church history, which important, is not the inspired word of God and the standard for Truth, and what history actually reveals is the progressive deformation of the visible church, even if not negating the continuity of the body of Christ.

when it isn't in the 66-book fragment which Protestants call "the Bible".

So you also believe the fabrication that the Prot. 66 does not have antiquity, and that the larger canon was all settled until a maverick named Luther dissented from this infallible canon?

[ealgeone]

Don’t you know the word means nothing to catholics in these situations....they’d rather rely upon the “tradition” that nobody has a written record of for these matters.

[Mark17]

no, Mary gave birth to several children according to the Bible

You are correct sir. Two of Mary and Joseph's natural children, James and Jude, conceived through, dare I say it? Normal human reproduction, otherwise known as sex. Both wrote books in the New Testsment, called, of all things, James and Jude. James, being the leader of the Jerusalem Church, not Peter.

[Mom MD]

And that woman is Israel....

[ealgeone]

Remind me again why catholics need Jesus.....

•as Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also;

•as Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone.

•as the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was;

•as Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yes indeed: it’s one of those multivalent symbols so typical of Biblical prophecy:: Israel, Mary, the Church. Daughter Zion, Blessed Mother, Lady Ecclesia.

[ealgeone]

You illustrate why I don't write to you hardened anti-Catholics (HAC), but only to fellow Catholics, perhaps weak in their faith or going through tough times.

It's one of two things Elsie...actually both.

1) You've won the argument when the names start coming out

2) the poster is likely a dimocrat and like all dimocrats the names start coming out when they're losing the argument or they try to shift the topic of conversation.

[MHGinTN]

You have proof of her death?

[Mrs. Don-o]

And... a particular favorite...

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[metmom]

Mary’s name is not mentioned once in Revelation.

That claim is not valid as it cannot be supported by Scripture.

[ealgeone]

Christ her Son is King of Kings; that makes her Queen Mother by relationship alone.

Then Paul and Peter must be princes in the kingdom???

This business of trying to equate earthly realms to those of Heaven must really stop. It's quite embarrassing.

Other than catholic "tradition" and a lot of gee it sounds nice, it must be and it stands to reason.....do you have any Scriptural support for this. And keep it in context.

Please, no more one verse theology.

[metmom]

That is elevating obedience to Mary above obedience to Jesus.

Obey Jesus becuause Mary said so?

Really?

[metmom]

Additionally, those words were spoken to the servants at the wedding, not the church as a whole.

[Salvation]

Mind reading again?

[ealgeone]

Amazing how the catholics run when the light exposes their false doctrines.

None can post a reply to counter these Biblical positions.

[daniel1212]

he Catholic Church does not offer Mary "Latria" (LINK) We give her "Hypedulia", which means, the highest honor given to a human person, which is entirely due to what God her Savior has done for Mary, a lowly handmaid. Luke 1 should pretty much clear that up.

Rather then being clear, this fine defining line is contrary to what Scripture does to define worship, in which no one but idolators, as said, would be found kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings, including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them.