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Sad. Former SSPX Bp. Williamson consecrates a bishop. Both now excommunicated (Catholic)
WDTPRS ^ | March 19, 2015 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 03/20/2015 2:38:10 PM PDT by NYer

Former SSPX Bp. Williamson consecrated another bishop. They both have incurred the late sententiae excommunication foreseen in Canon Law.

The SSPX issued an official statement HERE:

On March 19, 2015, Bishop Richard Williamson performed the episcopal consecration of Fr. Jean-Michel Faure at the Benedictine Monastery of the Holy Cross in Nova Friburgo, Brazil.

Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure have not been members of the Society of St. Pius X since 2012 and 2014, respectively, [NB] because of their violent criticisms of any relations with the Roman authorities. According to them, such contacts were incompatible with the apostolic work of Archbishop Lefebvre. [I suspect that Lefebvre would be horrified.]

The Society of St. Pius X regrets sincerely that this spirit of opposition has led to an episcopal consecration. [May the come soon to regret other spirits of opposition.] In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre had clearly indicated his intention to consecrate auxiliary bishops [NB] who would have no jurisdiction, because of the state of necessity in which the Society of St. Pius X and faithful Catholics found themselves at that time. His sole goal was to make available to the faithful the sacraments which priests ordained by the bishops would offer.  [There is no question that Holy Orders, Mass and baptisms and confirmations are valid.] After having done everything conceivable to gain permission from the Holy See, Archbishop Lefebvre proceeded with the solemn consecrations on June 30, 1988 before several thousand priests and faithful and hundreds of journalists from around the world. It was abundantly clear from all the circumstances that, despite the lack of authorization from Rome, this action done in the most public manner was for the good of the Church and of souls. [It was not abundantly clear… but read on.]

The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Fr. Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. [True.] All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner.  [Like admitting that Francis is indeed Pope, and then not submitting to his authority?  Say his name in the Roman Canon and put a photo up?  What do they do, exactly?]

The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass. [The Roman Pontiff and, I suppose, the local bishop.  I wonder: Do the priests of the SSPX include the name of the local diocesan bishop in the Canon during Mass?] The Society intends to continue its work of priestly formation according to its statutes. It has every intention to keep the deposit of the Faith and the purity of the Church’s moral teaching, in opposition to errors, from wherever they may come, in order to pass on such Faith and morals in the traditional liturgy and by preaching, in accordance with the missionary spirit of its founder: Credidimus caritati [1 John 4:16].

Menzingen, March 19, 2015

I pray that Williamson and the other fellow will be reconciled before they die.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: canonlaw; catholic; faure; sspx; williamson
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1 posted on 03/20/2015 2:38:10 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/20/2015 2:38:33 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

No surprise. Schism begets schism.


3 posted on 03/20/2015 3:02:19 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

Ping


4 posted on 03/20/2015 3:06:22 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: NYer

Something ironic about the SSPX opposing the ordination of bishops by a former SSPX bishop. LOL.


5 posted on 03/20/2015 3:50:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: vladimir998

So how many schisms to you think Cardinal Marx and the German bishops will spawn?


6 posted on 03/20/2015 6:04:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Thus far, none. SSPX has a far worse record on schism so far.


7 posted on 03/20/2015 6:07:42 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Does the SSPX condone giving Holy Communion to adulterers?

The majority of Catholic bishops at the last SinNod, along with Marx’s blossoming schism, would like to condone it.

I guess if Francis sanctions a schism, it’s OK. Is that right?


8 posted on 03/20/2015 6:23:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998
“We are not just a subsidiary of Rome,” Cardinal Marx said. “Each episcopal conference is responsible for the pastoral care in their culture and has to proclaim the Gospel in its own unique way. We cannot wait until a synod states something, as we have to carry out marriage and family ministry here.”

Cardinal Marx happens to be a member of Francis' Gang o' Eight and here he is promoting a bunch of little schisms via "each episcopal conference".

9 posted on 03/20/2015 6:52:16 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“Does the SSPX condone giving Holy Communion to adulterers?”

Would that change the number of schism they have spawned either way?

“I guess if Francis sanctions a schism, it’s OK. Is that right?”

Popes sanctioning a schism? Schism by whom? Are you even sure you know what a schism is?


10 posted on 03/20/2015 6:55:21 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ebb tide

Thus far, none. SSPX has a far worse record on schism so far.


11 posted on 03/20/2015 6:55:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Using your logic, or lack thereof, the Catholic Church has spawned a vast number of schisms. How many Protestant denominations are there now, Vlad?


12 posted on 03/20/2015 7:03:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998
Popes sanctioning a schism? Schism by whom?

Must I repeat myself?

Schism by Cardinal Marx and his fellow German heretical bishops. If you disagree, why is Marx is still in the Pope's "Gang"?

13 posted on 03/20/2015 7:15:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“Must I repeat myself?”

Just make sense the firs time.

“Schism by Cardinal Marx and his fellow German heretical bishops.”

Again, do you know what a schism is?

“If you disagree, why is Marx is still in the Pope’s “Gang”?”

So now the Catholic Church is a “Gang”? Or do you mean the College of Cardinals is a Gang?

“Using your logic, or lack thereof, the Catholic Church has spawned a vast number of schisms.”

What? SSPX is NOT the Church. It is a religious order which repeatedly disobeyed popes and essentially acts as if it is independent of the Church. Whether it is Williamson and his new bishop, or The Nine, or SSPV, or Dolan, the SSPX has spawned numerous schisms. Again, do you know what a schism is?

“How many Protestant denominations are there now, Vlad?”

Ask your husband. Maybe he can tell you if you don’t know. While you’re at it ask him what schism is since you seem unsure.


14 posted on 03/20/2015 7:37:48 PM PDT by vladimir998
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So now the Catholic Church is a “Gang”? Or do you mean the College of Cardinals is a Gang?

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

15 posted on 03/20/2015 7:44:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

Then you should diet, stop drinking and smarten up.


16 posted on 03/20/2015 7:47:13 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

The “Nine”?

Do you even know what you’re talking about? Obviously not.

The “Nine” are Pope Francis’ handpicked circle of advisors. They include O’Malley, Marx and Maradiaga; the latter two of whom condone Holy Communion for adulterers.

Instead of smelling like the sheep, Francis smell like the skunks he chooses to surround himself with.


17 posted on 03/20/2015 7:51:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

Look at you homepage. It looks like it was written by angry thirteen year-old. All you do is bitch.


18 posted on 03/20/2015 7:53:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

“Smarten up”, you say?

Who’s the ignoramus who doesn’t even know what the Gang o’ Nine is?


19 posted on 03/20/2015 7:57:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“The “Nine”?”

Yes, an actual thing unlike the “Gang”.

“Do you even know what you’re talking about?”

Yes, I do.

“Obviously not.”

No, obviously I do.

“The “Nine” are Pope Francis’ handpicked circle of advisors. They include O’Malley, Marx and Maradiaga; the latter two of whom condone Holy Communion for adulterers.”

(sigh). No. The Nine are the nine sedevacante SSPX priests who went into schism in 1983. Here’s their letter - before they fractured into two competing groups: http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=48&catname=12 Your welcome for the free education.

“Instead of smelling like the sheep, Francis smell like the skunks he chooses to surround himself with.”

I might be bale to take that comment seriously if you could make an argument, any argument, but you’re never been able to do that here as far as I can tell.

“Look at you homepage.”

I don’t need to. I wrote it.

“It looks like it was written by angry thirteen year-old.”

Don’t be envious.

“All you do is bitch.”

All I do is get things right. It’s not hard.

““Smarten up”, you say?”

Yep.

“Who’s the ignoramus who doesn’t even know what the Gang o’ Nine is?”

Apparently you didn’t know who The Nine were. Again, here’s your free education. http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=48&catname=12


20 posted on 03/20/2015 8:08:17 PM PDT by vladimir998
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