Why Jesus is not the Jewish messiah

Youtube ^ | Aug. 24, 2012 | Jews For Judaism

[CatherineofAragon]

Umpqua, do you have any comments?

[Servant of the Cross]

The New Testament is hidden in the Old and the Old is revealed in the New. ... St. Augustine

[stisidore]

Dear umqua-

The scriptural arguments will go back and forth here, but I would like to place offer here a simple testimony of an atheist’s after death experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mRZ1Vj8ZU

[imardmd1]

That’s the “Jews” of today, who are mostly Ashkenazian-derivatives, not the Hebrew-born Jews of Jesus’ time. His Title, “Christ” in Greek is “Anointed One,” which in Hebrew is “Messiach,” the same deliverer found in Psalm 2:2. Any argument against this is autoidiotic.

[jjotto]

And Jews should bear in mind that if they convert to the WRONG KIND of Christianity, they will spend eternity in Hell anyway!

[darkangel82]

The OP has four comments since 2010 so I’m guessing no.

[KC_Lion]

Ping!

[SkyDancer]

But they didn’t read it or understand it .... the whole book of Isaiah ....

[CatherineofAragon]

"The OP has four comments since 2010 so I’m guessing no."

I noticed that, too.

[delchiante]

Santa and the easter bunny sure do give some excuses to not see their Messiah..

They do expect some Torah with their King.. maybe the fullness of the gentiles isn’t a number but a condition..

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Well that certainly takes the rabid hatred of Judaism to a whole new level. You might want to wipe your chin, you've got froth on it.

I said nothing that Christ did not declare was coming on Jerusalem, nor anything that any of the Church Fathers would disagree with, going on for 2000 years of Christendom. It's not hateful to report that the judgment of God came upon that land and its people. That has nothing to do, however, with Jew hate. My desire is for them to give up on a dead religion, and embrace Christ, for their salvation. It so happens, however, that the greatest proof of Christianity (the fulfillment of its prophecies) is a hard nut for them to chew on, because it involves the destruction of the Jewish temple, the end of their sovereignty, and the sad condition of their country today, shared with infidels.

[PieterCasparzen]

Bingo.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

And Jews should bear in mind that if they convert to the WRONG KIND of Christianity, they will spend eternity in Hell anyway!

But fortunately Christ also teaches "All that the Father given to me shall come to me," and thus those who are truly born again by the Spirit of God will never hold on to any damning heresies.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Seems the youtube video is old, but the thread was made today.

[CynicalBear]

If you think that God is finished dealing with the nation of Israel as a distinct nation you had better study some more. There are seven years left of the 490 prophesied by Daniel. It’s why He is gathering them back to the land they were promised as we speak.

[PieterCasparzen]

The truth can be hard to accept. Human tradition is so enticing.

Romans 11 is essential to study in this regard. The Matthew Henry Commentary on Romans 11 is a very informativie analysis.

[Talisker]

Well since you see so clearly concerning the historical cause-and-effect of God's wrath on Israel because of their failure to be Christians (excluding, of course, the fairly significant blessing and act of approval the Jews received from God with the re-formation of Israel itself in 1947, their winning numerous wars of survival, and their development of their country into a technologically advanced first-world nation literally in the middle of third-world hellholes that want them dead), maybe you can explain the beheadings and crucifixions of the Christian Copts today by ISIS. I mean, that's God's judgement for their sins, right? But what are their sins?

Wrong Christian sect?

[Talisker]

And Jews should bear in mind that if they convert to the WRONG KIND of Christianity, they will spend eternity in Hell anyway!

Don't be ridiculous and inflammatory. Its not like Catholics and the various different Protestant denominations actually, really believe the others are going to hell forever and ever alongside the most vile criminals.

Oh, uh... I mean... uh...

[Talisker]

The truth can be hard to accept. Human tradition is so enticing. Romans 11 is essential to study in this regard. The Matthew Henry Commentary on Romans 11 is a very informativie analysis.

Not sure what your point is... are you saying that after two thousand years of overwhelming influence, the teachings of Christianity are not party of human tradition?

Or are you downgrading Judaism as mere human tradition, and not divinely inspired?

Or both?