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Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation
Catholic Defense ^ | February 25, 2015

Posted on 02/25/2015 11:50:17 AM PST by NYer

Lines from the Lord's Prayer, in various languages.
From the Eucharist Door at the Glory Facade of the Sagrada Família in Barcelona, Spain.

It's Lent in Rome. That means it's time for one of the great Roman traditions: station churches. Each morning, English-speaking pilgrims walk to a different church for Mass. This morning, on the way to St. Anastasia's, I was once again struck by a line in the Our Father: “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That's a hard thing to pray, It doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Even the Catechism seems shocked by it:

This petition is astonishing. If it consisted only of the first phrase, "And forgive us our trespasses," it might have been included, implicitly, in the first three petitions of the Lord's Prayer, since Christ's sacrifice is "that sins may be forgiven." But, according to the second phrase, our petition will not be heard unless we have first met a strict requirement. Our petition looks to the future, but our response must come first, for the two parts are joined by the single word "as."
Upon arriving at Mass, I discovered that the Gospel for the day was Matthew 6:7-15, in which Christ introduces this prayer. That seemed too serendipitous to simply be a coincidence. Then Archbishop Di Noia, O.P., got up to preach the homily, and it was all about how to understand this particular petition. So here goes: I think that the Lord's Prayer is flatly inconsistent with sola fide, the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone. Here's why.

In this line of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus seems to be explicitly conditioning our forgiveness on our forgiving. Indeed, it's hard to read “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” any other way. What's more, after introducing the prayer, Jesus focuses on this line, in particular. Here's how He explains it (Matthew 6:14-15):
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So to be forgiven, you must forgive. If you do, you'll be forgiven. If you don't, you won't be. It's as simple as that.

So Christ has now told us three times that our being forgiven is conditioned upon our forgiving, using the most explicit of language. How does Luther respond to this? “God forgives freely and without condition, out of pure grace.” And what is Calvin's response? “The forgiveness, which we ask that God would give us, does not depend on the forgiveness which we grant to others.”

Their theology forces them to deny Christ's plain words, since admitting them would concede that we need something more than faith alone: we also need to forgive our neighbors. They've painted themselves into a corner, theologically. To get out of it, they change this part of the Our Father into either a way that we can know that we're saved (Luther's approach: that God “set this up for our confirmation and assurance for a sign alongside of the promise which accords with this prayer”) or a non-binding moral exhortation (Calvin's: “to remind us of the feelings which we ought to cherish towards brethren, when we desire to be reconciled to God”).

Modern Protestants tend to do the same thing with these verses, and countless other passages in which Christ or the New Testament authors teach us about something besides faith that's necessary for salvation. We see this particularly in regards to the Biblical teaching on the saving role of Baptism (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21) and works (Matthew 25:31-46; Romans 2:6-8; James 2). There are three common tactics employed:

  1. Reverse the causality. If a passage says that you must do X in order to be saved, claim that it really means that if you're saved, you'll just naturally do X. Thus, X is important for showing that you're saved, but it doesn't actually do anything, and certainly isn't necessary for salvation (even if the Bible says otherwise: Mark 16:16).
  2. No True Scotsman. If Scripture says that someone believed and then lost their salvation (like Simon the Magician in Acts 8, or the heretics mentioned in 2 Peter 2), say that they must not have ever actually believed (even if the Bible says the opposite: Acts 8:13, 2 Peter 2:1, 20-22).
  3. Spiritualize the passage into oblivion. If the Bible says that Baptism is necessary for salvation, argue that this is just a “spiritual” Baptism that means nothing more than believing. And if you need to get around the need to be “born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5) spiritualize this, too, to get rid of the need for water. Reduce everything to a symbol, or a metaphor for faith.

In fairness to both the Reformers and to modern Protestants, they want to avoid any notion that we can earn God's forgiveness or our salvation. This doesn't justify denying or distorting Christ's words, but it's a holy impulse. And in fact, it was the theme of Abp. Di Noia's homily this morning. Grace is a gift, and what's more, grace is what enables us to forgive others. This point is key, because it explains why Christ isn't teaching something like Pelagianism.

God freely pours out His graces upon us, which bring about both (a) our forgiveness, and (b) our ability to forgive others. But we can choose to accept that grace and act upon it, or to reject it. And that decision has eternal consequences. Such an understanding is harmonious with Christ's actual words, while avoiding any idea that we possess the power to earn our salvation.

So both Catholics and Protestants reject Pelagianism, but there's a critical difference. Catholics believe that grace enables us to do good works, whereas Protestants tend to believe that grace causes us to do good works. To see why it matters, consider the parable of the unmerciful servant, Matthew 18:21-35. In this parable, we see three things happen:

  1. A debtor is forgiven an enormous debt of ten thousand talents (Mt. 18:25-27). Solely through the grace of the Master (clearly representing God), this man is forgiven his debts (sins). He is in a state of grace.
  2. This debtor refuses to forgive his neighbor of a small debt of 100 denarii (Mt. 18:28-30). The fact that he's been forgiven should enable the debtor to be forgiving: in being forgiven, he's received the equivalent of 60,000,000 denarii, and he's certainly seen a moral model to follow. But he turns away from the model laid out by the Master, and refuses to forgive his neighbor.
  3. This debtor is unforgiven by his Master (Mt. 18:32-35). The kicker comes at the very end: “And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”
Now, consider all of the Protestant work-arounds discussed above. To deny that this debtor was ever really forgiven would be an insult to the Master and in contradiction to the text. To say that, if we're forgiven, we'll just naturally forgive is equally a contradiction: this debtor is forgiven, and doesn't. To treat the need to forgive the other debtor as a non-binding moral exhortation would have been a fatal error. 

This parable gets to the heart of the issue. The Master's forgiveness is freely given, and cannot be earned. But that doesn't mean it's given unconditionally or irrevocably. Quite the contrary: Christ shows us in this parable that it can be repealed, and tells us why: if we refuse to forgive, we will not be forgiven. It turns out, the Lord's Prayer actually means what it says.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: bumpusadsummum; calvin; catholic; faithalone; forgiveness; forgivingtrespasses; luther; ourfather; paternoster; prayer; solafide; thelordsprayer; theourfather
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To: Mark17

41 posted on 02/25/2015 2:06:25 PM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: Alex Murphy
It was the most uncomfortable looking picture I could find!

"Old Rafiki say, 'Look haaaarder."."


42 posted on 02/25/2015 2:10:04 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: NYer

I thought Jesus was a law abiding jew teaching other law abiding jews how to pray and they had no idea about death, burial and resurrection.

Their sins were covered up by sacrificing animals and spilling their blood.

I keep that prayer where it belongs because I realize that prayer was not addressed to us gentile dogs.
We can pray it (I do all the time)even though I know my sins have been forgiven, not because of anything I have done other then hit bottom and ask for help.


43 posted on 02/25/2015 2:11:17 PM PST by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: Alex Murphy

There goes that double standard of yours again.


44 posted on 02/25/2015 2:12:51 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
There goes that double standard of yours again.

I've upped my standards. Now, up yours.

45 posted on 02/25/2015 2:16:16 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Really....exactly how did you “up your standards” when you accused a Catholic of trashing Protestants simply because he/she posted a thread that was pro-Catholic Faith? On the other hand, if a Protestant posted a pro-Protestant thread you would take issue with a Catholic poster calling them anti-Catholic?


46 posted on 02/25/2015 2:21:49 PM PST by piusv
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To: CynicalBear
Best to check with scripture before making comments.

Good advice.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

47 posted on 02/25/2015 3:09:27 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: metmom

The thread is about the Lord’s Prayer.

Do you pray it?


48 posted on 02/25/2015 3:11:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pgyanke
Nice try but you need to read that again. The demons believe that there is one God. Believers believe on one God. Big difference.
49 posted on 02/25/2015 3:13:29 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer

I have often wondered how people get around revelations 20:12 : I saw the dead great and small...and all were judged by what was in the book...each according to his deeds. It seems fairly clear cut. Faith is obviously necessary...but cooperation with that faith translates to deeds...faith without works...


50 posted on 02/25/2015 3:14:57 PM PST by bike800
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To: CynicalBear
They cry “it’s lent” can’t we all just get along then continued posting. It’s an interesting double speak isn’t it.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

I think you know where this is going. 😇

51 posted on 02/25/2015 3:16:32 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: bike800; NYer

So God doesn’t really forgive our sins and never bring them to mind again? He actually brings them all up at the end of time anyway? How does that work?


52 posted on 02/25/2015 3:22:29 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Nice try but you need to read that again. The demons believe that there is one God. Believers believe on one God. Big difference.

Nice straw man. I posted mine in response to your response regarding faith and works. Why don't you deal with that rather than opening up a new line.

53 posted on 02/25/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
>>I posted mine in response to your response regarding faith and works. Why don't you deal with that rather than opening up a new line.<<

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

54 posted on 02/25/2015 3:26:04 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mark17

:-) If it weren’t for double speak.....


55 posted on 02/25/2015 3:26:53 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Dutchboy88

Rome also forgets to tell those in her grip that if they attempt to keep the law, they are responsible for the whole law. And if lawkeepers break even one point, they are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Galatians 5:3— “For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”

James 2:10 — “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

Christ speaks of finding rest for your soul in Him. He said “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. In stark contrast, Rome puts sinners in bondage.


56 posted on 02/25/2015 3:29:38 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: CynicalBear
:-) If it weren’t for double speak.....

You got it bro. 😅

57 posted on 02/25/2015 3:36:29 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: pgyanke

You are now my favorite poster on FR. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Please try to remain humble as ever. :)

Got a ping list when you post? I’m all in if you do.


58 posted on 02/25/2015 3:45:59 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: NYer

Loving it. Keep up the good work.


59 posted on 02/25/2015 3:46:34 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: Salvation

Gotta remember.... Salvation, NYer, Pgyanke....all posters I need to follow.


60 posted on 02/25/2015 3:48:55 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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