[RnMomof7]

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[Mercat]

I’m sad for you that you are fighting battles against a false perception of the Catholic Church instead of working on your own relationship with Jesus. What is your goal?

[onedoug]

John Bugay (hmmm) should spend more time finding himself another church.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"Papacy built on pious fiction and forgery"

Well, I'm sure glad John Bugay decided to weigh in and clear that up.

After all, he's got his own blog AND he's been banned from websites. His blog has an entry devoted to the subject.

[bonfire]

“But sunshine is the best medicine” John Bugay

[fidelis]

You know what’s sad? It’s sad when a man’s religion consists of attacking another man’s religion instead of practicing his own. That’s sad.

[metmom]

Looks like you hit a nerve........

[DuncanWaring]

By the way, what denomination do you belong to, and how is it more scripturally pure and authentic than the other tens of thousands of Protestant denominations?

[NRx]

This sort of psuedohistorical claptrap should be embarrassing to anyone posting it. It is on the same intellectual and academic level as the evidence advanced in support of Holocaust denial and is tainted by a similar odor of bigotry.

And for the record I am not Catholic.

[sasportas]

“Papacy built on pious fiction and forgery”

All we hear around here, is how Rome is built upon true history, Protestant history traces only to Luther, Calvin, etc. Truth is, as someone has posted on the RF recently, the Roman “house” is built upon a pebble (Peter), the true universal/catholic house is built upon bedrock - Jesus Christ and the word of God (Sola Scriptura).

It’s high time somebody start a series on the false foundation of Romanism. I can think of no subject needed more. RnMom, you are my hero.

[hockeyCEO]

It doesn't take long to watch a Protestant twist words around.

The author, John Bugay, relies heavily on a summary written by Eamon Duffy. Duffy's first quote "Irenaeus thought that the Church had been 'founded and organised at Rome by the two glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul,' is correct.

"yet for Irenaeus the authority of the Church at Rome came from its foundation by two Apostles, not one, Peter and Paul, not Peter alone." This is incorrect. For a Catholic, the authority of the Church comes from God. Nowhere does Irenaeus ever say its authority comes from Peter and Paul. Martin Luther would be proud.

Reading on a littler further, leads to another whopper:
"The tradition that Peter and Paul had been put to death at the hands of Nero in Rome about the year ad 64 was universally accepted in the second century"

This lie is too funny because Irenaeus actually calls out Eamon Duffy as a heretic back in 189 AD:
"It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about" (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).

This article continues on with more heresy. I especially like how opinion is stated in bold, since bold type must make it true.

[zot]

Thanks for posting this.

[x_plus_one]

The Orthodox Church is on a firm foundation. If you eliminate the Roman Church, Catholics will just go to Orthodox parishes. Playing sola scriptura on the Vatican does nothing but move chess pieces around the board.

[caww]

.....”Catholics will say that it is no contradiction that this “immediate” and “perpetual” power nevertheless had to “develop.”......

I thought of Progressive/Liberalss who consitsentnly add or change their mind saying there thoughts and or ideas have... "evolved",.... rather than admit they were/are wrong in the first place.