Posted on 02/13/2015 10:04:31 AM PST by WXRGina
Sucks for him.
Guess you disagree with Jesus and John on this issue of being born again. Might want to read the book of John for some clarity on this.
It’s not me. It’s the Calvinists.
Eveidently someone can`t read Hebrew, latin and NT greek here, and it ain`t me.
If one “becomes” something, it is not necessarily through your own effort.
If my father dies, for example, I might “become” the nominal head of our family, just by default, and not through any action of my own. Or, if my boss decides to promote me, I may “become” an executive, but not through any action on my part.
I like that expert translators in those languages can just decide Joshua was a perfect substitution for the Greco/roman/Latin name Jesus in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8
And that change has occurred in 400 years since the 1599 Geneva bible came out.. I never would have seen that without that bible and a concordance that showed no ‘Joshua’s in the new testament..
And now, translations have given us two.. and they replaced the sacred name Jesus in two spots.
Maybe the name Jesus is also just a roman tradition if translators can take the Greek and do no translation work.. just sort of look to the old testament English transliteration and delete Jesus in two spots..
Given that Jesus specifically said one MUST be born again to see the kingdom of God I'd says that a pretty solid belief. And it is an act performed by God not man.
Greetings, all. I have been following Free Republic for more than a decade but had never felt the need to interject or respond until now. Full disclosure: I am a rarity, a Pro-life, Conservative, Anti-gay marriage, pro traditional family, and Roman Catholic COLLEGE PROFESSOR. Yes, sometimes it is kind of lonely being the only one of my kind on campus. Anyway, over the past few days there have been many posts from both sides on the Sola Scriptura issue and other issues regarding the Roman Catholic Church and other Christian Churches, and I guess I begin with a request that this bickering stop—we conservatives have larger, much more dangerous problems to confront, like a president who is leading us down the slippery slope to oblivion who would (as Dr. Sowell has said) surrender if a major U.S. city was hit with a nuclear weapon; we also have an Islam problem—I am now 51% certain that Islam is NOT a religion at all. So I think, as Moff Tarkin says, “This bickering is pointless.” We have a mortal enemy and that enemy is not whether communion is the body and blood of Christ or whether congregational singing should be accompanied by musical instruments or not. That enemy is a force that would deny us the right to worship God as we see fit, and frankly, that is the scariest part of all.
“The Catholic Church instead claims that it and it alone has the authority and responsibility of infallibly pointing out which books comprise the Biblical canon already authored by God.”
The problem is that, if you read the books that they pointed out, some are not in accord with the totality of Scripture, so the idea of their infallibility on this issue is untenable.
Concerning the title of this thread, “bowing the knee to Rome,” and the Tony Palmer-Ken Copeland-Pope Francis incident (mentioned in the article), I’d like to point out something along those lines. You can see and hear Francis’ address to the Copeland people for yourself, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrS4IDTLavQ
The Anglican bishop Tony Palmer gave the keynote address, positioning himself as a kind of John the Baptist preparing the way for Pope Francis. Then came the Pope’s address to the crowd gathered there, in it, he said something most revealing having to do with the role he would play on the world scene.
He saw himself as Joseph empowered in Egypt, his brothers as “separated brethren” ignorant of who he was or what he was doing. To bring unity between Joseph (representing the RCC) and his separated brethren (representing Protestants), his brethren needed to recognize Joseph as their brother, and then “bow the knee” to him (to bring unity, Protestants must recognize Pope Francis’ role as the great unifier, then bow the knee to Rome).
I’ve got news for the Copeland idiots, the Jesuit Francis and his RCC, we know what you are up to, there are a great many of us who WON’T BE BOWING OUR KNEES TO ROME!
I find it interesting, observing the Jesuit Francis has been doing in the world ever since this revealing speech he gave at the Copeland meeting.
He, like Joseph in Egypt, sees himself in a unique position of power on the world stage to bring to pass “Joseph’s vision.” To those who know their Bibles, Joseph had certain dreams about his brethren eventually bowing down before him.
BEWARE OF THIS POPE!
“... the Virgin birth isn’t just the virgin giving birth, it’s her hymen never rupturing...”
I just can’t imagine why Christians would worry about the state of Mary’s hymen, much less to the point of enshrining some assessment of its condition in doctrine that they are willing to divide the church over.
Correction:
I find it interesting, observing what the Jesuit Francis has been doing in the world ever since this revealing speech he gave at the Copeland meeting.
“we conservatives have larger, much more dangerous problems to confront...”
Christians don’t believe that the matters of the world are larger or more pressing than spiritual matters, in fact, just the opposite. The entire world could be on fire, but the condition of our souls would be more urgent.
Some originals were written in Aramaic, not greek- so maybe the syriac versions are more accurate. All we have are copies of originals in greek. The Ethiopian and Coptic copies may be closer also.
Without belief in the Eucharist as the true body and blood of Christ the rest is all inconsequential. Without Petrine authority, every Tom. Dick, and Harry and their grandmother gets to interpret the “Word of God” as “they” see fit and sometimes with deadly consequences like with the faiths of the Jim Jones and David Koresh, or those who use Scripture to avoid medical treatment for their ailing children.
Yep, with freedom comes responsibility. But don’t worry. You can trust God to steer you straight, assuming one prays for wisdom.
I firmly believe in YOPIOS. It’s what’s for breakfast!
“Without Petrine authority...”
Well, with “Petrine authority”, you are misled into believing falsehoods that you aren’t allowed to question. No thanks, I could become a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness if I wanted that.
Sucks for him.
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”
David Koresh, Jim Jones, the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses all “prayed for wisdom”
Either you accept Petrine authority (as my earlier post shows the basis of infallible authority for the canonical text) or you don’t. If you don’t then what makes you think the Church correctly chose the books you and I call the Bible? They may have mistakenly included some, and excluded others?
This Petrine authority did not evaporate with the Reformation.
Well, at least you admit, you, and anybody else like David Koresh or Jim Jones, or the Mormons can get to pick and choose and follow what “you” think is God’s Word. If Petrine authority was the very basis of authenticity of text in selecting what writings were part or not a part of the canonical texts, this infallible authority did not suddenly evaporate with the Reformation. Christ spoke one truth, not many truths, and established one Church without error until the end of time to declare His word.
“Well, at least you admit, you, and anybody else like David Koresh or Jim Jones, or the Mormons can get to pick and choose and follow what “you” think is God’s Word.”
Yes, I don’t think religious freedom is anything to be ashamed of. I’m sorry if you don’t feel the same.
“this infallible authority...”
I already told you that I believe it is demonstrably fallible, since some of the books that were chosen are irreconcilable with other books. If the authority was infallible, it would not produce such contradictions.
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