After the apostles died, was the gospel hopelessly lost until the Reformation?Posted on 01/24/2015 8:33:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
After the apostles died, was the gospel hopelessly lost until the Reformation?
That certainly seems to be a common assumption in some Protestant circles today. Thankfully, it is a false assumption.
I’m not entirely sure where that misconception started. But one thing I do know: it did not come from the Protestant Reformers.
The Reformers themselves (including Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and others) were convinced that their position was not only biblical, but also historical. In other words, they contended that both the apostles and the church fathers would have agreed with them on the heart of the gospel.
For example, the second-generation Lutheran reformer, Martin Chemnitz (1522-1586), wrote a treatise on justification in which he defended the Protestant position by extensively using the church fathers. And John Calvin (1509-1564), in his Institutes, similarly claimed that he could easily debunk his Roman Catholic opponents using nothing but patristic sources. Here’s what he wrote:
If the contest were to be determined by patristic authority, the tide of victory — to put it very modestly —would turn to our side. Now, these fathers have written many wise and excellent things. . . . [Yet] the good things that these fathers have written they [the Roman Catholics] either do not notice, or misrepresent or pervert. . . . But we do not despise them [the church fathers]; in fact, if it were to our present purpose, I could with no trouble at all prove that the greater part of what we are saying today meets their approval.
Source: John Calvin, “Prefatory Address to King Francis I of France,” The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Section 4.
How could the Reformers be so confident that their understanding of the gospel was consistent with the teachings of the ancient church? Or perhaps more to the point: What did the early church fathers have to say about the gospel of grace?
Here is an admittedly brief collection of 30 patristic quotes, centering on the reality that justification is by grace alone through faith alone. Many more could be provided. But I think you’ll be encouraged by this survey look at the gospel according to the church fathers.
(Even if you don’t read every quote, just take a moment to consider the fact that, long before Luther, the leaders of the ancient church were clearly proclaiming the gospel of grace through faith in Christ.)
1. Clement of Rome (30-100): “And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.”
Source: Clement, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 32.4.
2. Epistle to Diognetus (second century): “He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for them that are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! That the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors!”
Source: The Epistle to Diognetus, 9.2-5.
3. Justin Martyr (100-165) speaks of “those who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour, but by faith through the blood of Christ, and through His death.”
Source: Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, 13.
4. Origen (185-254): “For God is just, and therefore he could not justify the unjust. Therefore he required the intervention of a propitiator, so that by having faith in Him those who could not be justified by their own works might be justified.”
Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.112.
5. Origen (again): “A man is justified by faith. The works of the law can make no contribution to this. Where there is no faith which might justify the believer, even if there are works of the law these are not based on the foundation of faith. Even if they are good in themselves they cannot justify the one who does them, because faith is lacking, and faith is the mark of those who are justified by God.”
Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.136.
6. Hilary of Poitiers (300-368): “Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith.”
Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 20:7)
7. Hilary of Poitiers (again): “It disturbed the scribes that sin was forgiven by a man (for they considered that Jesus Christ was only a man) and that sin was forgiven by Him whereas the Law was not able to absolve it, since faith alone justifies.”
Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 9:3)
8. Didymus the Blind (c. 313-398) “A person is saved by grace, not by works but by faith. There should be no doubt but that faith saves and then lives by doing its own works, so that the works which are added to salvation by faith are not those of the law but a different kind of thing altogether.”[31]
Source: Didymus the Blind. Commentary on James, 2:26b.
9. Basil of Caesarea (329-379): “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, that Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, redemption. This is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and is justified solely by faith in Christ.”
Source: Basil, Homily on Humility, 20.3.
10. Jerome (347–420): “We are saved by grace rather than works, for we can give God nothing in return for what he has bestowed on us.”
Source: Jerome, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.1.
11. John Chrysostom (349-407): “For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faith’s workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Ephesians, 4.2.9.
12. John Chrysostom (again): “But what is the ‘law of faith?’ It is, being saved by grace. Here he shows God’s power, in that He has not only saved, but has even justified, and led them to boasting, and this too without needing works, but looking for faith only.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 7.27.
13. John Chrysostom (again): “God allowed his Son to suffer as if a condemned sinner, so that we might be delivered from the penalty of our sins. This is God’s righteousness, that we are not justified by works (for then they would have to be perfect, which is impossible), but by grace, in which case all our sin is removed.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, 11.5.
14. John Chrysostom (again): “Everywhere he puts the Gentiles upon a thorough equality. ‘And put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith.’ (v. 9.) From faith alone, he says, they obtained the same gifts. This is also meant as a lesson to those (objectors); this is able to teach even them that faith only is needed, not works nor circumcision.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Acts, 32 (regarding Acts 15:1)
15. John Chrysostom (again): “What then was it that was thought incredible? That those who were enemies, and sinners, neither justified by the law, nor by works, should immediately through faith alone be advanced to the highest favor. Upon this head accordingly Paul has discoursed at length in his Epistle to the Romans, and here again at length. “This is a faithful saying,” he says, “and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on 1 Timothy, 4.1.
16. John Chrysostom (again): “”For it is most of all apparent among the Gentiles, as he also says elsewhere, ‘And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy.’ (Romans 15:9.) For the great glory of this mystery is apparent among others also, but much more among these. For, on a sudden, to have brought men more senseless than stones to the dignity of Angels, simply through bare words, and faith alone, without any laboriousness, is indeed glory and riches of mystery: just as if one were to take a dog, quite consumed with hunger and the mange, foul, and loathsome to see, and not so much as able to move, but lying cast out, and make him all at once into a man, and to display him upon the royal throne.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Colossians, 5.2.
17. John Chrysostom (again): “Now since the Jews kept turning over and over the fact, that the Patriarch, and friend of God, was the first to receive circumcision, he wishes to show, that it was by faith that he too was justified. And this was quite a vantage ground to insist upon. For a person who had no works, to be justified by faith, was nothing unlikely. But for a person richly adorned with good deeds, not to be made just from hence, but from faith, this is the thing to cause wonder, and to set the power of faith in a strong light.”
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 8.1.
18. Augustine (354-430): “If Abraham was not justified by works, how was he justified? The apostle goes on to tell us how: What does scripture say? (that is, about how Abraham was justified). Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness (Rom. 4:3; Gen. 15:6). Abraham, then, was justified by faith. Paul and James do not contradict each other: good works follow justification.”
Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 2-4.
19. Augustine (again): “When someone believes in him who justifies the impious, that faith is reckoned as justice to the believer, as David too declares that person blessed whom God has accepted and endowed with righteousness, independently of any righteous actions (Rom 4:5-6). What righteousness is this? The righteousness of faith, preceded by no good works, but with good works as its consequence.”
Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 6-7.
20. Ambrosiaster (fourth century): “God has decreed that a person who believes in Christ can be saved without works. By faith alone he receives the forgiveness of sins.”
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 1:4.
21. Ambrosiaster (again): “They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God.”
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:24.
22. Ambrosiaster (again): “Paul tells those who live under the law that they have no reason to boast basing themselves on the law and claiming to be of the race of Abraham, seeing that no one is justified before God except by faith.”
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:27.
23. Ambrosiaster (again): “God gave what he promised in order to be revealed as righteous. For he had promised that he would justify those who believe in Christ, as he says in Habakkuk: ‘The righteous will live by faith in me’ (Hab. 2:4). Whoever has faith in God and Christ is righteous.”
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Paul’s Epistles; CSEL 81 ad loc.
24. Marius Victorinus (fourth century): “The fact that you Ephesians are saved is not something that comes from yourselves. It is the gift of God. It is not from your works, but it is God’s grace and God’s gift, not from anything you have deserved. … We did not receive things by our own merit but by the grace and goodness of God.”
Source: Marius Victorinus, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.9.
25. Prosper of Aquitaine (390–455): “And just as there are no crimes so detestable that they can prevent the gift of grace, so too there can be no works so eminent that they are owed in condign [deserved] judgment that which is given freely. Would it not be a debasement of redemption in Christ’s blood, and would not God’s mercy be made secondary to human works, if justification, which is through grace, were owed in view of preceding merits, so that it were not the gift of a Donor, but the wages of a laborer?”
Source: Prosper of Acquitaine, Call of All Nations, 1.17
26. Theodoret of Cyrus (393–457): “The Lord Christ is both God and the mercy seat, both the priest and the lamb, and he performed the work of our salvation by his blood, demanding only faith from us.”
Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Letter to the Romans; PG 82 ad loc.
27. Theodoret of Cyrus (again): “All we bring to grace is our faith. But even in this faith, divine grace itself has become our enabler. For [Paul] adds, ‘And this is not of yourselves but it is a gift of God; not of works, lest anyone should boast’ (Eph. 2:8–9). It is not of our own accord that we have believed, but we have come to belief after having been called; and even when we had come to believe, He did not require of us purity of life, but approving mere faith, God bestowed on us forgiveness of sins”
Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Fourteen Epistles of Paul; FEF 3:248–49, sec. 2163.
28. Cyril of Alexandria (412-444): “For we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, as Scripture says. By faith in whom, then, are we justified? Is it not in Him who suffered death according to the flesh for our sake? Is it not in one Lord Jesus Christ?”
Source: Cyril of Alexandria, Against Nestorius, 3.62
29. Fulgentius (462–533): “The blessed Paul argues that we are saved by faith, which he declares to be not from us but a gift from God. Thus there cannot possibly be true salvation where there is no true faith, and, since this faith is divinely enabled, it is without doubt bestowed by his free generosity. Where there is true belief through true faith, true salvation certainly accompanies it. Anyone who departs from true faith will not possess the grace of true salvation.”
Source: Fulgentius, On the Incarnation, 1; CCL 91:313.
30. Bede (673-735): “Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake. James here expounds how Paul’s words ought to be understood. This is why he uses the example of Abraham, whom Paul also used as an example of faith, to show that the patriarch also performed good works in the light of his faith. It is therefore wrong to interpret Paul in such a way as to suggest that it did not matter whether Abraham put his faith into practice or not. What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merits derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith.”
Source: Cited from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (ed. Gerald Bray), NT, vol. 11, p. 31.
..LOL and Rome doesn't? There is good evidence that the "church fathers "did not even agree with each other ..that is why what they say has to be tested against the scriptures..
It’s simply another one of those “projections” by Catholics.
That is what I thought too, until I learned all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
You condescension is noted. I use ixquick. It’s much better with no tracking. And yes I do search. It’s were I find many things that counter what Catholics tell us. Like Catholics and Muslims serve the same god, like the concept of the assumption of Mary was never spoken about until at least the fourth century, like Catholics use spurious and fraudulent documents. I find lots of stuff that shows Catholicism to be nothing more than paganism dressed up claiming to be Christianity.
Why don't you show us the assumption of Mary first.
“Of course they do.”
No, they don’t.
“Paul said if they didn’t teach it that it was to be considered accursed.”
Have you yet proved they did not teach it?
“If Catholics teach it they must show that the apostles taught it.”
No. You, however, must prove that there is a verse that shows Matthew wrote an inspired book because you believe in sola scriptura.
“I just did.”
Nope. You completely failed.
“Prove that what is in that Encyclopedia is refuted by the Catholic Church. Show where they renounce statements or beliefs claimed there in.”
The statement need not be refuted because constant usage shows it to not be correct. Whoever wrote the article either made a typographical error or made the same logical error many Protestants do. I, and others here at FR, have pointed out before that the oCE is good, but not perfect.
“Then Catholics are no different then Muslims or Mormons in that they go by writing other than scripture.”
That logically follows nothing that was said so I have no idea where you’re even getting that.
“We can simply put them all in the same class.”
We can logically put Protestants in that class since they, like Mormons and Muslims also have a sola scriptura belief no matter how much all three deviate from it in practice on a daily basis.
Doubly irrelevant Protestant works doesn’t mean circular reasoning on my part.
For anyone else objectively interested in truth, see this thread started by NYer and provided by Salvation on this thread. Then compare the quotes by Origen, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine there and on this thread.
Then the reasonable reader can see that the Fathers believed in the Catholic teaching that it's fath+works that justify, not works from the Law of Moses (which are the "works" the Fathers on this thread were refering to) but works that are in cooperation with the grace of God.
LOL. Good one T, good one.
“It was said the entire bible was the gospel..”
And?
“That made me wonder if Jesus reached the entire OT ..I wanted to know if you knew what the gospel Jesus preached was ?”
So you’re making the logical mistake of thinking that if the whole Bible is the gospel, then Jesus would have to preach it all? I don’t see why anyone would make that logical error. Also, I know the Gospel Jesus preached. Are you saying you do not know the gospel Jesus preached?
” I use ixquick.... And yes I do search. It’s were I find many things ...”
So which verse shows an Apostle saying Matthew wrote an inspired book?
Which verse condemns abortion by name?
“Why don’t you show us the assumption of Mary first.”
First, you’ll have to show me where it says in scripture that all things that are true are in scripture. If you can’t find that verse, then I don’t have to use sola scriptura. You still have to because you actually support the heresy of sola scriptura.
I don't have to prove the apostles did not teach the assumption of Mary. I don't believe she was. There is nothing in scripture that says I need to believe that to be part of the ekklesia of Christ. The Catholic Church says Catholics must believe that. It is therefore the responsibility of the Catholic Church to show the apostles taught that the assumption of Mary is necessary.
>>No. You, however, must prove that there is a verse that shows Matthew wrote an inspired book because you believe in sola scriptura.<
Why do I need to prove that? Nothing in Matthew is contradicted in any of the other books. If you can show where Matthew contradicts any of the other writers let me know and we can discuss it. Would you do the same for let's say the book of Tobit?
>>Whoever wrote the article either made a typographical error or made the same logical error many Protestants do. I, and others here at FR, have pointed out before that the oCE is good, but not perfect.<<
So show where the Catholic Church refutes what is in it.
>>like Mormons and Muslims also have a sola scriptura belief<<
Mormans and Muslims have a sola scriptura belief? Seriously?
Then why do Catholic deny it's faith plus works?
Like I said. Show any errors in Matthew and we will talk about it. But you need to do the same with Tobit. >>Which verse condemns abortion by name?<<
Please show where anyone made the claim that any verse condemns abortion by name please.
The supposed Augustinian prayer to Mary is, in fact, from a medieval Bishop:
http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/BVM/OBeataVM.html
From the link:
"Written by Bishop Fulbert of Chartres (ca 951-ca 1029), it appears in his Sermo IX, De Annuntiatione Dominica. The prayer is sometimes attributed to St. Augustine, Book 10, Sermon 18, de Sanctis, since Bishop Fulbert's sermon appeared in the collected works of St. Augustine at one time. However, it is now known that the sermon is not Augustine's, but Bishop Fulbert's."
I've long known about this, which is why I occasionally ask Catholics to bring quotes from Augustine showing adoration for Mary (it's a fun "gotcha"). The quote, for whatever reason, constantly appears everywhere, but never points back to an original source, which was my original tip off.
It is necessary to question all quotations that would seem to contradict the Church Fathers on some points, as often times they are either fraudlent, or they are distorted, or the full context reveals something different.
I’m convinced that Catholics have no idea what Sola Scriptura means.
And here we are finally starting to peel away the layers of the theological onion, so to speak, and getting at the root of the problem. Surely it's true the Fathers didn't agree with each other (although they certainly agreed with themselves, or else they are crazy and not to be trusted at all). But this then begs the same question as is begged with Scripture interpretation: WHO gets to decide when the Fathers taught the true fsith and when they taught in error?
This is the ultimate question that must be answered and addressed when studying their work as when studying the written Word of God. It's a question of authority really, and in brief, Protestants don't have such authority to decide which Father taught "Scriptural Truth" when. This is simply and obviously because the only "authority" any one person has to make such a determination either comes from a grounding in the teachings of a Church with authority that is historically valid (traced back to Christ) or a community of people who decide for themselves when a Father teaches something "Scriptually true".
This narrows such candidates to the Catholic and Orthodox churches already. It certainly can't include the Proteststants who didn't come on the scene until 1600 years later! What kind of authority is that? Where did it come from? Only the circular answer "it comes from Scripture" can be given at this point.
In other words the Protestant claim is, "The authority to decide which Father taught Scriptural truth and when comes from Scripture. We know this because even the Fathers say so. We know the Fathers said so because 'we' can see them doing so 'here', 'here' and 'here' and 'we' can know this because 'we' can decide this from Scripture alone"
Here we can see the fatally circular flaw of the Protestant reasoning, because each sets himself up as supreme arbiter of "which Father teaches Scriptural truth and when" because each Protestant again arbitrates by THEMSELVES, for no valid reason, historical or otherwise, "from Scripture alone when each Father teaches truth"
They think they take themselves out of the arbitration process when claiming "Scripture alone decides for us", but they haven't. It's the same error as claiming 2 Tim 3:16-17 "proves" sola scriptura. It only does so because the Protestant INSISTS it does. The same for the Fathers: they are all Proto-Protestants because the Protestant INSISTS they are, and for no other reason. Certainly for no authoritative reason OUTSIDE themselves, which a personal interpretstion of Scripture is NOT.
Thou shall not murder.
It just never ends it seems. Beliefs based on fraudulent documentation! Still Catholics put their full faith and trust for their eternal future in a "church" that continues to use and rely on those fraudulent documents. It makes no sense.
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