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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: Sola Fide (saved by faith alone), Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). (See the Protestant logo to the right.) Generally, one ought to be suspicious and careful of claims that things work “alone.” It is our usual experience that many things work together in harmony, that things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything “alone.”

The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our minds, where it is possible to separate things out. But the fact is, just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can separate it out in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light. But in reality, I could never take a knife and put the heat over on one side and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable, so together as to be one.

I would like to argue respectfully that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality they are one. Attempts to separate them from what they belong to, lead to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a (geeky) theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide). For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid a caricature of the other’s positions. Catholics do not and never have taught that we were saved by works. For heaven’s sake we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think they do.

But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “Faith alone” implies. So let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant! But, oops, that’s a Catholic thing, since most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that we can separate from works only in our minds, but not in reality. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, it seems we cannot remain unchanged by entering into that relationship with him. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works,” it’s just that we cannot easily observe them.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstractionFaith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not really faith at all since faith does not exist by itself, but is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone, but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo  “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia). As for grace alone, this too is a puzzle, since grace by its very nature changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. Grace cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) - Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”! This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture. There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.

Second, until recently most people could not read. Given this, it seems kind of strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence Scripture was not a read text per se, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately. Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope!  Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s body and blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence, Scriptures are not to be read alone. They are a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage says, The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself.  Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it. Further, faith is not alone but works through love. And grace is not alone but builds on nature.

Thus the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined, we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind (but in reality cannot be found alone).

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.



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To: Salvation

“You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “’This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’” Matthew 15:7-9


21 posted on 01/16/2015 8:51:39 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111; Religion Moderator

I understand that you might be upset by the article. But that does not make me or other Catholics hypocrites.


22 posted on 01/16/2015 8:52:55 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Hey Monsignor. Let's believe what a bunch of scared kids say as much as we believe God's Word! Let's make up a lot of nonsense about worshipping Mary even though God's inspired Word explicitly says to not do so! Let's confess our sins to a "priest" instead of directly to Jesus even though Paul writes that we are all priests!

All of this nonsense has been created by evil men who seek to control others through faith in meaningless traditions and rituals instead of faith in God and His Love and Omnipotence.

23 posted on 01/16/2015 9:06:38 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Tao Yin
How in the world can you promote a verse as proof that truth in found in the church when the verse states that the written letter is instruction for conduct in the church?

Its that special interpretive sauce of Catholic interpretation. Apply liberally to make the text mean what you need it to mean.

24 posted on 01/16/2015 9:20:55 AM PST by dartuser
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To: Alex Murphy

Am I wrong to believe that is what happens when people are taught by Rome (or any other false church), instead of being taught by God in the Isaiah 54:13 and John 6:45 sense? Such people lack Holy Spirit given discernment. I bet you have discussed passages with non-believers and then been amazed that they couldn’t see what was plainly obvious to you. So often those same people are so closed to the truth, so certain, that they won’t even contemplate it. Others will listen, but lack the ability to grasp even simple truths.

“All your children will be taught by the LORD, and great will be their peace.” (Isaiah 54:13)

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.” (John 6:45)


25 posted on 01/16/2015 9:22:21 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Salvation
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.

It contains everything that God meant for man to know. Some things are meant only for God to know. I don't remember the location in Scripture, but it says just that.
26 posted on 01/16/2015 9:28:00 AM PST by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Old Yeller

You know exactly what God intended? Wow!


27 posted on 01/16/2015 9:28:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Look, if you sit in the pew of a Christian church (I no longer do, but I respect those who continue and I have fond memories of when I did), and your clergy starts rehashing 500 year old points of contention, stand up and walk out.

The issue— the major issue— Christian theologians and clergy should be getting their people squared away on right now is the doctrine of the trinity. Catholics and Protestants alike can’t explain it and it will be central to any and all religious dialogues (including the ones they have with their children) in the coming years.

The Protestant-Catholic food fights are entertaining, but they’ll be taking place only in nursing homes in about 20 years if you don’t get a grip on Trinitarianism, which is what the Muslims like to and do talk about. Start by listening to an Islamic critique of the doctrine of the Trinity. And then look over a catalog of courses at Protestant and Catholic seminaries and see if anyone is covering the topic...or even taking the course.


28 posted on 01/16/2015 9:30:14 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: Salvation

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

James 2:24
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

The article points out the risk of making a caricature of the opposing arguments. No true believer thinks that faith is all we need. Does faith alone mean if we have faith we do not need a Savior? Obviously not. The Savior is the object of faith. Does faith alone mean the cross is not necessary? No. The cross is the means of redemption. Does faith alone mean works are unnecessary? No. Works are the expression of genuine faith.

Faith alone is perhaps an oversimplified catch phrase that emphasizes the Biblical point that faith is the means by which a person receives forgiveness of sins and imputed righteousness from God. Works are not the basis of receiving these gifts. They are gifts. However, works do follow and are part of faith. But these works are works of faith rather than works that express our own righteousness which is accomplished by rule-keeping. James illustrates this.

Abraham showed his faith by being willing to offer his son as a sacrifice. (This is not a good work, but an act that showed his total surrender and full obedience to God.) Incidentally, Abraham never actually sacrificed his son, but he proved he was willing to do so. Rahab, likewise completely cast herself on the mercy of God. What were her works of faith? Treason and lies. These are not good works. But they do illustrate the reality of her faith in God.

However, Paul and James had apostolic authority. The things they wrote were not contradictory even if they can be difficult to understand. But the Catholic doctrines and true doctrines of the Bible are not merely apparent contradictions. They are truly diametrically opposed.

We rely on apostolic authority. Today, we do not have the apostles coming to visit us to settle issues of doctrine. The Catholic doctrine claims this is the job of the Catholic church. Protestants recognize that it is the Bible itself that contains the full apostolic authority. We have James, Paul, Peter, John and others through their writings, much the same way the early church relied on their writings as well.

The Catholic church claims authority above the Bible. It claims that people cannot understand it apart from the Catholic hierarchical system.

True believers recognize the authority of the Bible and the gift of the Holy Spirit Who guides us into all truth. We are not subjects of Rome.


29 posted on 01/16/2015 9:38:34 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: ameribbean expat
Look, if you sit in the pew of a Christian church (I no longer do, but I respect those who continue and I have fond memories of when I did), and your clergy starts rehashing 500 year old points of contention, stand up and walk out.

The issue— the major issue— Christian theologians and clergy should be getting their people squared away on right now is the doctrine of the trinity. Catholics and Protestants alike can’t explain it and it will be central to any and all religious dialogues (including the ones they have with their children) in the coming years.

The Protestant-Catholic food fights are entertaining, but they’ll be taking place only in nursing homes in about 20 years if you don’t get a grip on Trinitarianism, which is what the Muslims like to and do talk about. Start by listening to an Islamic critique of the doctrine of the Trinity. And then look over a catalog of courses at Protestant and Catholic seminaries and see if anyone is covering the topic...or even taking the course.

I completely agree. Trinitarianism IMO defines Christian orthodox theology. If a congregation or denomination gets this one wrong, they're not Christian. If Christians are going to band together to fight Islam, this along with the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ are the hills to die on.

30 posted on 01/16/2015 9:42:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation
You frequently ask this: You belive in Scripture, correct? Then why don't you believe this?

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." (Galatians 2:21)

Did you catch what Paul was saying? He was saying that if the righteousness required comes not from grace, but by works of the law, then Christ's death was not needed. Do you believe Christ died in vain?

Salvation can't be by both grace and works. We don't add good works to grace, so it must be one or the other. Paul tells us over and over that no one is justified by works. Here in Galatians 2:21 he says that if righteousness comes by the law, Christ's death on the cross was in vain.

You belive in Scripture, correct? Then why don't you believe this?

31 posted on 01/16/2015 9:44:16 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: ShadowAce

I was thinking about the demons and the experience of freepers here with exorcism and it seems to me that faith is the belief in something NOT seen. The demons have seen God from the moment of their creation until He cast them out of His presence. That is not faith.

Knowing God parted the Red Sea, the Israelites had to cross the Jordan. They knew it happened before but without the faith that it would happen again, glub, glub.

I love the book of James. It really convicted me last year when I compared my childhood attitudes toward humans to how I think of them today. Faith in what we do not see is a gift and that gift is only given because of God’s grace. If we lack faith, we can just ask for it. That is one reason for praying continuously, eh?


32 posted on 01/16/2015 9:48:30 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Salvation; NELSON111; Religion Moderator

You report someone to the religion moderator for quoting a Bible verse? You better report me too for saying that’s complete foolishness.

If you want to preach to the choir and exclude naysayers from a posting in religion, you can label it “Catholic caucus” or such. Then no one will post anything contradictory.

But if you want to try to use this forum of conservatives that includes Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and people of other persuasions, to embrace Catholic beliefs, you should expect disagreement. And it just might be expressed in the form of Bible passages.


33 posted on 01/16/2015 9:49:19 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Old Yeller
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. --Deuteronomy 29:29
34 posted on 01/16/2015 9:50:48 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

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>> “Salvation can’t be by both grace and works.” <<

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Oxymoron.

Grace is what leads us to the works by the writing of the law on our hearts. Salvation comes at the end, and is a product of a lifetime of righteousness resulting therefrom.

Yeshua, and every apostle told us that we must endure to the end to be saved. Paul constantly cautioned his sheep lest they fail to endure and receive that prize of great value. “work out your salvation with fear and trembling...”

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35 posted on 01/16/2015 9:55:34 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Salvation

This man is a fool, in the Biblical senses.


36 posted on 01/16/2015 10:01:46 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Salvation

I see where you guys get the talking points from.


37 posted on 01/16/2015 10:12:17 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Salvation
>>Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology.<<

There are not "solos" is Protestant theology that I know of other the Christ alone. But they he goes into double speak as is befitting Catholic thought. He switches from solo to sola. The poor man obviously either doesn't understand the difference or is deliberately trying to deceive.

>>But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works<<

I have never seen a Protestant detach works from faith. Every one I have ever heard or talked to agrees that true faith produces works. How can it but do otherwise? Once again, the writer is characterizing the Protestant belief.

>>Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”!<<

Now we see the indwelt Catholic fear. Relying on the only true source of the infallible word of God. If they relied solely on the infallible word of God for their beliefs they would not have that fear.

>>Second, until recently most people could not read.<<

How many times must it be shown from history for them to cease that fallacious statement?

>>Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately.<<

And we have a lack of knowledge of what scripture says on the subject.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

There are so many errors in this man's article it's understandable why Catholics have no real assurance of their salvation.

38 posted on 01/16/2015 10:14:27 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Dr. Thorne
>>All of this nonsense has been created by evil men who seek to control others through faith in meaningless traditions and rituals instead of faith in God and His Love and Omnipotence.<<

Exactly, and the double speak of the article is proof of either the total lack of understanding of what scripture says or a deliberate corruption of what scripture really teaches.

39 posted on 01/16/2015 10:16:58 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Salvation; Old Yeller
>>You know exactly what God intended? Wow!<<

And we see the familiar twisting of or injecting into what the man really said. We wonder was it deliberate or simply the result of indoctrination?

40 posted on 01/16/2015 10:19:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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