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For Advent: Why Don’t Catholics Read the Bible? (They Do!)
HolySpiritInteractive.net ^ | not given | Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 12/18/2014 5:00:17 PM PST by Salvation

Why Don’t Catholics Read the Bible?

by Dwight Longenecker

The independent Evangelical church I went to as a boy gave me a fantastic amount of Bible knowledge. There were Bible drills in Sunday School classes, Bible memory contests and Bible quizzes, not to mention a complete grounding in all the Bible stories—illustrated with those wonderful flannelgraph figures. As I got older I listened to long Bible sermons, went to home Bible studies, youth Bible camps and a Bible holiday club. I ended up going to a Christian University where Bible study was part of our everyday schedule.

Our Christian home wasn’t particularly anti-Catholic, but some of our preachers were, and the general impression I got was that Catholics not only didn’t read the Bible, but that they weren’t allowed to. They didn’t go to church with their big black Bibles under their arm. They didn’t have long Bible sermons or home study groups or youth Bible camps. How could Catholics believe the Bible if they didn’t read it and study it like we did?

Its true that many Evangelicals know their Bible upside down and backwards, and compared to them Catholics sometimes seem ignorant of the Bible. But that's only an appearance.

The truth is simply that Catholics and Evangelicals use the Bible in different ways and therefore have different kinds of Bible knowledge. Evangelicals use the Bible as a source book for doctrine and right moral teaching, and that's good. 2 Timothy 3.16 says the Scriptures are 'useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.' Evangelicals also use the Bible for personal devotions and inspiration. This too is Biblical. Psalm 119.27 says, 'Let me understand the teaching of your precepts; then will I meditate on your wonders.'

Ordinary Catholics might not be so adept at quoting chapter and verse, but they do know and use Scripture regularly. Its just that they use it in a different way. For a Catholic, Scripture is not so much a book to be studied as a book to worship with. (Ps. 119.7) For Catholics the Bible is almost always used in the context of worship. Did you know that a survey was done to check the amount of Scripture used in the Catholic Mass? The Catholic service was almost 30% Scripture. When the same writer checked his local Bible-based Evangelical church he was surprised to find the total amount of Scripture read took just 3% of the service.

When Catholics go to mass they hear a reading from the Old Testament, they say or sing one of the Psalms, then they listen to a reading from the epistles, then a gospel reading. The whole structure fits together so the communion service if focused on Christ in the gospels. Catholics follow a three year cycle of Scripture reading so a Catholic who goes to church faithfully will--over the three years--hear almost all of the Bible read. Furthermore, the responses, and the words of the communion service are almost all from Scripture. So a church-going Catholic does know and use Scripture--its just that he uses it primarily for meditation and worship (Ps.119.48)--not for personal information and instruction.

And when you think about it, isn't this actually the way Scripture is meant to be used? The Jews recite the Old Testament law in their worship daily. The psalms were the hymn book of the Jews. In the New Testament church they read the letters of the apostles, recited the psalms and used portions of Scripture to praise and worship God just as Catholics do today.(Eph.5.19) We know from the records of the early church that Scripture was used primarily for worship, and only secondarily for study.

Of course, like Evangelicals, Catholics also use the Scripture to determine doctrine and moral principles--its just that the Catholic lay person or pastor doesn't do so on his own. As Paul gave Timothy the apostolic authority to 'rightly divide the word of truth' (2 Timothy 2.15), so Catholics believe their bishops have inherited the authority of the apostles to teach doctrinal and moral truth faithfully. They base this on Paul’s clear instructions to Timothy, ‘the things you have heard me say …entrust to reliable men so that they man in turn teach others.’ (2 Timothy 2.1-2) Therefore, it is the bishops—living, praying and working in a direct line from the apostles-- who use the Bible to determine Christian doctrine and moral principles. That Catholic doctrine and moral teaching is biblically-based is easy to see. Try reading any official Catholic teaching documents and you will find they are--and always have been--permeated and upheld with Scripture.

Nevertheless, memories are long. Some extreme Protestants like to say that the Catholic church not only forbade people to read the Bible, but they deliberately kept the Bible in Latin, chained it up in churches and even went so far as to burn popular translations of the Bible. Its true Bibles were chained in churches. Before the days of printing presses books were precious items. They were chained for security reasons—the way a phone book is secured in a phone booth—to make it available to everyone. The Catholic Church allowed translations into the vernacular from the beginning. The earliest English version of the Bible for instance, is a paraphrase version of Genesis dating from the year 670. In a few places the authorities did burn some translations of the Bible which were deliberately faulty or which carried heretical notes, but this was an attempt to preserve the purity of the scriptures, not to keep it from God’s people. Remembering that in the Middle Ages most people were illiterate, the pastors and teachers of the Catholic Church instructed the people about the biblical stories in many creative and dramatic ways—not unlike my Sunday School teacher’s use of the flannelgraph.

But in saying all this, ordinary modern Catholics could learn a few lessons from Evangelicals about Bible knowledge. We Catholics need more Bible scholars amongst our pastors. We need more resources for personal Bible reading. We need to understand the Scriptures better to see how our faith is rooted and grounded in the Bible. Our own official teachings encourage us to read, study and learn the Scriptures. Dei Verbum--a document about the God's Word from Second Vatican Council says, "...all clergy should remain in close contact with the Scriptures by means of reading and accurate study of the text...similarly the Council earnestly and expressly calls upon all the faithful...to acquire by frequent reading of holy Scripture the excellent knowledge of Jesus Christ (Phil 3.8) for as St.Jerome said, "Ignorance of the Scriptures is indeed ignorance of Christ."'

Ecumenism is a two way street. If we have lessons to learn from Evangelicals, many Evangelicals could learn fresh ways of using the Scriptures from us too. Singing the psalms in worship is something Catholics can share with Evangelicals, using a lectionary helps pastors choose Biblical readings which harmonise Old Testament and New Testament, taking the congregation on a logical process through each year of worship. Finally, using chosen readings from the Old Testament, the epistles and then the gospels helps focus the worship on Jesus Christ. Using the Scriptures like this is a practical way for the whole word of God in Scripture to point to the Word of God in the flesh-- our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Catholics and the Bible

  • The Catholic Church finally agreed on which writings should go into the Bible at the Council of Rome in 382 AD during the time of Pope Damasus.
  • Damasus encouraged St Jerome to translate the Scriptures into Latin since Latin was the common language of all educated people.
  • In the mid-1400s the Bible started to be translated into European languages.
  • Some Reformers published Bibles with bits missing, faulty translation work and subversive notes.
  • The authorities tried to regulate which Bibles were acceptable in order to control erroneous teaching.
  • Throughout the years the Catholic Church encouraged Bible reading, but kept control of the interpretation of the Bible as part of her inspired authority to teach the truth and preserve the unity of the church.
  • Pope Leo XIII published a letter in 1893 encouraging Bible study.
  • Pius XII in 1943 also encouraged the faithful to study and love the Bible.
  • The second Vatican Council in the 1960s encouraged all the clergy and people to study the Bible faithfully.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; catholic
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To: redleghunter

Hmmm. Never had to pay a priest up front to perform a wedding. You give him a gift for performing it afterwards. I think we gave our priest $20 or so back in the day. You also must mean a baptismal certificate. And if someone has gone to confession, then the wedding wasn’t the first time they walked into the Catholic church “on their own and not carried by their parents.” Same for Pre-Cana instruction. Plus, to be married IN the Catholic Church, you have met with the priest, usually several times as a couple. I think you were exaggerating to make a point, but it’s not accurate. Maybe it’s the way someone like Nancy Pelosi works, but for the rest of us common Catholics, it doesn’t happen the way you suggest.

You seem like a nice person on this thread, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but in this case, I think you have misinformation.


161 posted on 12/19/2014 8:44:06 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

In the interminable internecine RC/Prot posts on FR, Redleghunter has earned my vote as the one who I’d most like to have over for dinner and civilized, reasonable discussion on the differences and similarities.

Hope to get to meet you some day, LtCol.

CSM


162 posted on 12/19/2014 8:54:15 PM PST by AbnSarge
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To: redleghunter

Well, when I read your post, and saw Hezekiah, it didn’t sound like a book of the Bible. I have done a good bit of Bible study in the past. I didn’t remember that as one of the ones I tried memorizing (again to song, because it sticks better for me that way).

I have no aversion to looking and learning. Isn’t that what you Protestants are always complaining that Catholics don’t do enough of? So when we do, Protestants still make fun of us for giving it a go. I think that’s bizarre. I’m confident that Jesus is more merciful than many Protestants I come across here on FR. Funny, but the ones I come across in my “real” life, have never outwardly said to me that they think I’m going to hell once they meet me and we talk about our faiths. Perhaps they say it in private, but I hope not.

At any rate, I wish you blessings from God. Tis the Season!


163 posted on 12/19/2014 9:01:58 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

Yes that was back in the day. You got off light.

The suggested “donation” for my dad’s Catholic funeral was $350. Plus pianist $100 and soloist $100 and 3X altar girls at $15 a piece. Totaling almost $600 for a 45 min funeral mass.

My mom and dad were very active in the parish with dad being active with the Knights of Columbus and a weekly usher at mass.


164 posted on 12/19/2014 9:03:03 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: redleghunter

...and in my parish there was no “suggested donation” for either of my parents’ funerals, nor my marriage.


165 posted on 12/19/2014 9:06:01 PM PST by AbnSarge
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To: AbnSarge; redleghunter

I agree with your idea. So far, redleghunter has been the most reasonable one I’ve “spoken” with on FR.

Perhaps if we all broke bread together, we could become great friends.


166 posted on 12/19/2014 9:06:55 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

Keep singing those psalms God loves them!


167 posted on 12/19/2014 9:13:22 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: AbnSarge

I knew about the donations. But when the nice lady at the rectory told me the recommended donations I was surprised. Especially my dad being an active KoC.

But good to hear from you CSM. I am now retired after 25 years and started work over a month ago as a contractor training units.

Hope your Christmas will be great with family and friends.

God Bless.


168 posted on 12/19/2014 9:18:31 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: FamiliarFace

Thank you and the impression is truly mutual.


169 posted on 12/19/2014 9:19:46 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: redleghunter

Well, we did pay the singers, but I don’t remember how much. There were no altar servers at our wedding if I recall correctly, but I could be wrong. There could have been two there, or none. I guess as the bride, it’s something I overlooked.

My Dad was also a Knight the last few years of his life. He died in probably the most beautiful way, and I hope to be as fortunate when my time comes. He was surrounded by family and close friends every day for his last week, and we all were gathered around his hospital bed in prayer, several times each day, hand in hand. Our different faiths didn’t matter. His Protestant friends followed right along with us. We all grew from the experience. “For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” We were blessed.


170 posted on 12/19/2014 9:23:53 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: redleghunter

Thank you, have a blessed Christmas!


171 posted on 12/19/2014 9:26:35 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: mrobisr; All

“And that is exactly the problem... there’s hardly a verse that can be understood in its entirety without other Scripture to back it up. That’s exactly where the Catholic denomination fails is taking one verse and making up a complete doctrine according to that one verse. Never mind if there are other verses that will clarify it we will just make up more stuff to cover that mistake.”

Actually, the verses used for each Mass (Entrance Antiphon, O.T. reading, Psalm, Epistle, Gospel) are chosen for their common message and their meaning and unity are usually apparent; the priest’s sermon is an opportunity for further clarification or exigesis.

These selections for the Propers of the Mass are really beautifully thought out, and the advantage of the Catholic service is that they are being utilized by the faithful in a dual manner: for their intrinsic worth and as a mechanism to worship God in the Mass’context of the re-creation of Our Lord’s Sacrifice.

This can be an intense spiritual experience.


172 posted on 12/20/2014 3:49:20 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Tax-chick
the Curious George Christmas movie

Used to love watching Curious George with my niece, who has now outgrown it, so I haven't seen it in years. The way the animation was rendered was nice, sort of a human touch that's missing in practically everything else of recent vintage, too much reliance on CGI flashiness. The music, too, was nice. Started listening to Jack Johnson because of it. Is he still doing some of the soundtrack?

173 posted on 12/20/2014 5:39:33 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

There are a lot of Curious George programs streaming on Netflix. I prefer it to some of the noisier programs the children like. The Christmas special was cute.

I haven’t noticed whether Jack Johnson - I hear him on the Sirius Margaritaville channel - is still on the soundtrack. I’ll be alert to the credits next time I find myself watching it.


174 posted on 12/20/2014 5:42:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember Malmedy!)
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To: Salvation; All
More on Longenecker's lies or deception (or ignorance):

For a Catholic, Scripture is not so much a book to be studied as a book to worship with. (Ps. 119.7)

Which means Scripture being reduced to a supporting role, that of a servant which is often compelled to support RC doctrine (as Ps. 119 is here), the veracity of which does not rest upon the weight of Scriptural substantiation.

And as often said, the fact is that it is abundantly evidenced that as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.

And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)

And which contrary to what Ps. 119 is about, that of the written word of God being supreme and personally studied.

Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. (Psalms 119:18)

Did you know that a survey was done to check the amount of Scripture used in the Catholic Mass? The Catholic service was almost 30% Scripture.

Which includes much redundancy. We had such a claim made before here, i forget what the % was, but investigation revealed it also included such things as "Amen."

When the same writer checked his local Bible-based Evangelical church he was surprised to find the total amount of Scripture read took just 3% of the service.

Notice the spurious nature of this anecdotal assertion. The first calculates the amount of Scripture used in the typical 45-50 minute Catholic Mass, which could include songs and redundant responses as "Amen," while the second uses the % of the total amount of Scripture actually read during the typical 3 hour evangelical service.

While I think much more should typically be read, could be the type service in which little is actually read, though it should be, but much is explained, as Stephen did in Acts 7. In a service i just went to the pastor read part of Ex. 3 and then gave an broad explanatory overview from the call of Abraham to the call of Moses.

Again, i think more actual reading of the text, going back to it for each main point, should be done, but during the typical 45 minute evangelical sermon the people can get far far more comprehensive Bible teaching than during the typical 10-12 minute Catholic sermonette and 50 minute redundant Mass.

The whole structure fits together so the communion service if focused on Christ in the gospels. Catholics follow a three year cycle of Scripture reading so a Catholic who goes to church faithfully will--over the three years--hear almost all of the Bible read.

Per usual, this is a bare assertion, but in addition to refutations by other RCs i provided, I did own rough calculations, which maybe Alex or others want to investigate, by adding the verses of 4 weeks worth of all readings from Sun. thru Sat. (7) during Jan. 2015, from here, (http://www.catholic.org/bible/daily_reading/?select_date=2015-01-31), which came out to 657 (I think if anything i over counted), which was then divided by 4 to get the average for one week, that being 164 (rounded of to the nearest figure of 657)

That was next multiplied by 52 (weeks in a year) for a total of 8,528 verses the a daily mass-going RC can hear per year. And multiplied by 3 (year cycle) this would be 25,584.

Next, from here (http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/OT-Statistics-NAB.htm) i found 27,570 total OT verses in the RC NAB OT Bible, a version of which is used in Mass, and then i added the 7,957 verses in the NT in the KJV, which should be the same in the NAB (or so close as to be inconsequential in this regard), for a total of 35,527 verses.

Meaning, if accurate, a (exceedingly rare) RC who hears Mass 364 times a year can hear 25,584 verses, which is a little over 2/3rds (which would be 23,684, rounded).

My base figure of an average of 164 verses is likely a bit high, and also note that at least when i was a lector then verses in brackets, which did not need to be read, abounded. And again, what ever Scripture they hear elsewhere in mass is largely redundant.

Yet even if my figures are basically correct, missing almost a third of the Bible does not constitute hearing "almost all the Bible" as Longenecker asserts, while his statement that this refers to "a Catholic who goes to church faithfully" is rather misleading, as i think few people think he means a RC who goes to mass 364 times a year! .

And the estimated figure for those who do is so low as to make it a hypothetical figure. For the percentage of all Catholics who claim (another study showed people significantly "cook" their figure on this) they attend Mass at least once a week has is 20 to 24% (http://nineteensixty-four.blogspot.com/2012/05/microscoping-view-of-us-catholic.html; http://www.pewforum.org/2013/03/13/strong-catholic-identity-at-a-four-decade-low-in-us/) while the number of those who claim to attend more than once a week is just 9%, (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060418/weekly-attendance-highest-among-Evangelical-churches.htm), and daily mass would be even more lower.

The premise of Longenecker's argument that RCs know Scripture centers on the "faithful" hearing almost all of the Bible in Mass over the years, but this means hardly any even hear about 2/3rds of the Bible.

And which thus negates his overall claim that Catholics ignorance of the Bible is only an appearance, because for "Catholics the Bible is almost always used in the context of worship," and which the 3 year "hear almost all of the Bible read" claim is part of.

In addition, historically RCs heard much less Scripture in Mass.

“At mid-century study of Bible texts was not an integral part of the primary or secondary school curriculum. At best, the Bible was conveyed through summaries of the texts.” (The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG16) Even by 1951 just a little of the gospels and the epistles were read on Sundays, with just 0.39% of the Old Testament (aside from the Psalms) being read at Vigils and major feast days in 1951. (http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm)

We know from the records of the early church that Scripture was used primarily for worship, and only secondarily for study. Of course, like Evangelicals, Catholics also use the Scripture to determine doctrine and moral principles--its just that the Catholic lay person or pastor doesn't do so on his own.

But it is the personal study and one of its purposes that Rome is contrary to. For the Holy Spirit commends the Bereans who "were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)

Yet RCs are discouraged from objectively searching the Scripture in order to ascertain the veracity of what is preached, For to do so would be to doubt the claims of Rome to be the assuredly infallible magisterium by which a RC obtains assurance of Truth, and risk the RC seeing the specious nature of so many RC Traditions.

And even apart from that, the highest figure for personal Bible reading: was 75%, by those going to a Pentecostal/Foursquare church who reported they had read the Bible during the past week (besides at church), while the lowest was among Catholics at 23% (http://www.science20.com/print/972444). The typical Catholic person was 38% less likely than the average American to read the Bible; 67% less likely to attend a Sunday school class; 20% less likely to share their faith in Christ with someone who had different beliefs, donated about 17% less money to churches, and were 36% less likely to have an "active faith," defined as reading the Bible, praying and attending a church service during the prior week. Catholics were also significantly less likely to believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches. 44% of Catholics claimed to be "absolutely committed" to their faith, compared to 54% of the entire adult population. However, Catholics were 16% more likely to attend a church service and 8% more likely to have prayed to God during the prior week than the average American. Barna Reaearch, 2007, “Catholics Have Become Mainstream America” http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/100

Therefore, it is the bishops—living, praying and working in a direct line from the apostles-- who use the Bible to determine Christian doctrine and moral principles.

Which very claim made to RCs testifies to their ignorance of Scripture, and the misconstruance of it due to the false premise of "direct line" assured veracity, and the problem of this premise, which fosters perpetuation of errors .

For besides elder and bishop, presbuteros and episkopos, denoting the same office, (Titus 1:5-7) and besides such never being given the distinctive title (“hiereus” = priest) as the Jewish sacerdotal clergy, the Holy Spirit in Scripture nowhere shows successors to the foundational apostles, with the only one being for Judas in order to maintain the foundational number (cf. Rv. 21:14) - that being 12, and only 12, contra Rome, and which was by the non-political OT method of casting lots, (Acts 1:15ff) which Rome has never used.

And it is clear that the NT church did not look to Peter as the first of a line of infallible popes(which in Rome is where the bishops derive their authority) reigning in Rome as their supreme exalted head, which is not in Scripture. No wonder personal study in order to ascertain the veracity of RC teaching is censured.

And historically even RC researchers provide evidence against this propaganda.

That Catholic doctrine and moral teaching is biblically-based is easy to see. Try reading any official Catholic teaching documents and you will find they are--and always have been--permeated and upheld with Scripture.

More cultic deception, as cults can claim likewise. For the means by which Longenecker "sees" doctrine and moral teaching as biblically-based is by how Rome can invoke texts to support her, but which the faithful RC is not to objectively examine in the light of Scripture as the Bereans did. Thus what the RC "sees" is not necessarily that RC doctrine and moral teaching as biblically-based but also how Rome can claim it is, though she compels texts to do so.

Some extreme Protestants like to say that the Catholic church not only forbade people to read the Bible, but they deliberately kept the Bible in Latin, chained it up in churches and even went so far as to burn popular translations of the Bible. Its true Bibles were chained in churches.

And it is also true they forbade and burned some popular translations of the Bible, and largely kept it out of the common tongue or much restricted access to it.

Trent states,

Since it is clear from experience that if the Sacred Books are permitted everywhere and without discrimination in the vernacular, there will by reason of the boldness of men arise therefrom more harm than good, the matter is in this respect left to the judgment of the bishop or inquisitor,...

Those, however, who presume to read or possess them without such permission may not receive absolution from their sins till they have handed over to the ordinary. Bookdealers who sell or in any way supply Bibles written in the vernacular to anyone who has not this permission, shall lose the price of the books, which is to be applied by the bishop to pious purposes, and in keeping with the nature of the crime they shall be subject to other penalties which are left to the judgment of the same bishop. Regulars who have not the permission of their superiors may not read or purchase them. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/trent-booksrules.asp)

The most stringent censorship decree after the Reformation was the Papal bull “Inter Solicitudines,” issued by Pope Leo X, December 1516, which Leo X ordered censorship to be applied to all translations from Hebrew, Greek, Arabic and Chaldaic into Latin, and from Latin into the vernacular. [While its focus is on singing, its injunction against singing "anything whatever in the vernacular in solemn liturgical functions," as "the language proper to the Roman Church is Latin," would likely also apply to reading of Scripture.] (Hirsch, Printing, Selling and Reading 1450-1550 [1967] 90).

In addition to the printed books being seized and publicly burnt, payment of a hundred ducats to the fabric of the basilica of the prince of the apostles in Rome, without hope of relief, and suspension for a whole year from the possibility of engaging in the printing, There Is To be imposed upon anyone presuming to act otherwise the sentence of excommunication. Finally, if the offender's contumacy Increases, he is to be punished with all the sanctions of the law, by His bishop or by our vicar, in such a way that others will have no incentive to try to follow His example. (Papal Bull, Inter Sollicitudines; December 1516) [Wiki Translation].

Even the preface to the Douay Bible stated,

Which translation we do not for all that publish, upon erroneous opinion of necessity, that the Holy Scriptures should always be in our mother tongue, or that they ought, or were ordained by God, to be read impartially by all, or could be easily understood by every one that readeth or heareth them in a known language; or that they were not often through man's malice or infirmity, pernicious and much hurtful to many; or that we generally and absolutely deemed it more convenient in itself, and more agreeable to God's Word and honour or edification of the faithful, to have them turned into vulgar tongues, than to be kept and studied only in the Ecclesiastical learned languages...

In our own country, notwithstanding the Latin tongue was ever (to use Venerable Bede's words) common to all the provinces of the same for meditation or study of Scriptures, and no vulgar translation commonly used or employed by the multitude,

yet they were extant in English even before the troubles that Wycliffe and his followers raised in our Church,.. Which causeth the Holy Church not to forbid utterly any Catholic translation, though she allow not the publishing or reading of any absolutely and without exception or limitation...

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The Catholic Church finally agreed on which writings should go into the Bible at the Council of Rome in 382 AD during the time of Pope Damasus. Damasus encouraged St Jerome to translate the Scriptures into Latin since Latin was the common language of all educated people.

Misleading, as there was no infallible/indisputable complete canon til 1546, even the Catholic Encyclopedia states. See here .

Moreover, the claim that the Council of Rome (382) approved an infallible canon depends upon the Decretum Gelasianum, the authority of which is disputed (among RC's themselves), and is generally regarded as spurious based upon evidence that it was pseudepigraphical, being a sixth century compilation put together in northern Italy or southern France at the beginning of the 6th cent. This would not be the first time RCs made use of forgeries . In addition, the Council of Rome found opponents in Africa.” More: http://www.tertullian.org/articles/burkitt_gelasianum.htm

And translating the Scriptures into Latin was not that of putting it into the hands of the common people. Chrysostom attached considerable importance to the reading of Scripture on the part of the laity and denounced the error that it was to be permitted only to monks and priests.

Some Reformers published Bibles with bits missing, faulty translation work and subversive notes.

In the mid-1400s the Bible started to be translated into European languages.

Which did not promote literacy among the laity.

The Vulgate copies themselves were not uniform, not its translation without fault, while "subversive notes" is in the eyes of heretical autocratic Rome.

The authorities tried to regulate which Bibles were acceptable in order to control erroneous teaching.

Meaning, in addition to restrictions on laity even having access to RC Bibles in the common tongue, so that only the more brainwashed devotees might read it, it prevented them form seeing her errors exposed.

Throughout the years the Catholic Church encouraged Bible reading, but kept control of the interpretation of the Bible as part of her inspired authority to teach the truth and preserve the unity of the church.

Wrong, by the Middle Age she effectively discouraged Bible reading by the common people overall, and worked to prevent souls from seeing the spurious nature of her claim to inspired authority to teach the truth and preserve the unity of the church.

her inspired authority...

Misleading, as even when claiming to speak infallibly, Rome does not claim he is inspired as the writers of Scripture were, nor that even the reasoning behind his decrees are protected as being infallible.

Pope Leo XIII published a letter in 1893 encouraging Bible study.

Finally. A bit late. but if you can't beat them, join them. If it were not for the Reformation - and the printing press, we expect this would not have been the case. But just don't take too much literally became the recourse.

Pius XII in 1943 also encouraged the faithful to study and love the Bible.

Wow. 1943. What a testimony to historical consistent support literacy of the laity in Scripture via free access to the assured wholly inspired word of God.

The second Vatican Council in the 1960s encouraged all the clergy and people to study the Bible faithfully.

Ditto, and yet many RCs reject V2 as wholly authoritative.

175 posted on 12/20/2014 5:54:31 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
See above for revised rough estimate on RC Bible reading. Maybe Alex can examine them.
176 posted on 12/20/2014 5:57:15 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Tax-chick

This was the one that hooked me,

http://youtu.be/dqUdI4AIDF0


177 posted on 12/20/2014 5:58:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; Scoutmaster

That was cute. The video brought this one to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD73t0xa0Ew

I have conflicted relationships with guitarists.


178 posted on 12/20/2014 6:06:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember Malmedy!)
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To: Tax-chick
I have conflicted relationships with guitarists.

So does Randy Travis, lol.

179 posted on 12/20/2014 6:13:11 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Heh, good point. He has conflicted relationships with drugs and alcohol, too, poor fellow.


180 posted on 12/20/2014 6:13:58 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember Malmedy!)
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