Posted on 12/07/2014 11:18:23 PM PST by Morgana
From pro-life Christian Dr. La Verne Tolbert:
“So, who is having these abortions? We are. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood:
The highest proportion (43%) identify
themselves as Protestant. 27% of women having an abortion identify themselves as Catholic, and 8% as members of another religion. 22% reported no religious affiliation. 13% identified themselves as “born again” or evangelical….. Those who claim to know Jesus and who protest against abortion the most account for nearly 80% of all abortions.”
Dr. La Verne Tolbert “Abortion: the Sin of Idolatry”,
Doctor Alveda King and Dr.La Verne Tolbert Life at All Costs: an Anthology of Voices from 21st-Century Black Pro-Life Leaders (Xlibris Corporation, 2012) 55 Share on Facebook
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Planned Parenthood lies, don’t get me wrong. You are preaching to the choir on that one.
However I promise you they will tell the truth if and when it benefits THEM. Make no mistake about that.
Is something wrong with you?
Your authors are lying, and frankly, after all the efforts to get you to address it, with no success, your relationship with truth is also on display.
However, they don’t use contraceptives because their Church and Parents are against it?
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They don’t use them properly ... it’s not enough to remember that pill MOST days...
Obama identifies himself as Christian also. Just sayin.
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NOPE... Obama identifies as a Muslim.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kixrbWRDk
Exactly.
I know of someone who absolutely will not use contraceptives because her religion teaches that it is wrong to do so. However, she's had at least a dozen abortions.
I have also read about abortionists attempting to give contraceptives to clients after an abortion, and the clients refuse on the basis that the Church teaches that contraceptive use is wrong.
When women take to heart the message that using contraceptives is wrong, but have no compunctions whatsoever about aborting their kids, it is a clear sign that something is wrong with the moral messages they get from their churches. They aren't getting the message that abortion is wrong because it actually destroys a living human being--they really think that the wrongness of abortion is rooted in the fact that it means they had sex.
no question. i was trying to make sense of this for me. my immediate take was shock and disbelief that a true born-again Christian (as the article was trying to present) could ever go for an abortion. Holy Scripture and the Spirit would convict me immediately should i even give thought to committing any sin let alone such a grave sin as murder (as a man that would be coercing and paying a woman to go get one). at this point i’m convicted if i even think of sin as i understand sin (denial of Jesus, or disobedience to God). i’m still a sinner, though. all i have to do to be vulnerable to sin is to walk away from God. it’s just that when God is with me, it CANNOT happen. period. it would be literally impossible unless i was out of my mind, i guess.
so that leaves two possibilities for these so called “Christian” women having abortions. (1) they aren’t true Christians, they just call themselves that or (2) they are true Christians who have fallen back into sin because God has left them.
the apparent fact that the PP poll correlates with the proportion of so called “Christians” in the general population of the US, is expected and not surprising. thus i am no longer “shocked” as i was at first blush. the result is expected statistically if we are just looking at the general us population and sampling *randomly* from it. for example, i could simply ask how many Christians had accidently lost their wallets and i would have got the same result as the PP survey on abortion.
that means i could get that result for *any* question i asked about these “Christians” in a poll. therefor i’m relieved that there is really no correlation between being any sort of Christian and going for abortions.
of course there are sisters in my church who’ve had abortions. that was before they were saved. knowing them now in my church. i would indeed be shocked if *any* of them went for an abortion in the present or the future.
God bless
dishonest yes, because they knew the result (from us census data, see my other posts on this) before they took the poll. very clever deceit. worthy of the enemy. it provoked shock and dismay in me at first blush. as always it boils down to sin, disobedience and denial of Jesus in the general US population. that is the problem, not the true children of God.
Who is dishonest? The writers of the article making up the fake claims?
basically planned parenthood organization and their supporters are the liars, in my view. motive: they need to destroy the true Body. i suspect now that they comissioned the poll used in the article to attack the true Body. the polling company could be complicit or just dupes.
how better to tar the true Body of Christ, then with the self-identifying 80% of Americans who call themselves “Christians” for, let’s say, reasons of historical affinity of their family with an American religious denomination/organization.
if the evidence of the published beliefs and actions of so called “Christian” political and religious leaders is to taken as a true representation of their faith, they certainly profess a different creed and faith then i understand from Scripture as understood in the Spirit.
from examples like that and Scripture like Matt 7:14 “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
i take it that the true Body is very small relative to the 200M who claim to be Christians of various denomination in the US census
note: the article doesn’t specify the details of their polling technique. but i’m assuming they might have got their data by either sampling incoming “patients” all or some randomly or following up after the abortion. again, it’s not clear, maybe purposely not clear in the article.
You guys are confusing as all get out.
The writers of the article lied and made up things, they aren’t using the actual Guttmacher numbers, and their description of the patients as “”Those who claim to know Jesus and who protest against abortion the most account for nearly 80% of all abortions.””” is their lie, not Planned Parenthoods.
Do you understand that it is the writers of this little article who are are lying?
ok. what are the actual Guttmacher numbers. i don’t know exactly where the numbers published in the article came from. the article *says* Guttmacher was the pollster so i have to accept that apriori.
yes, your quote is a bald face lie and an obvious one (i’m just ignoring that as obvious and looking at the numbers. that is where the more effective and damnable lie is). i’m not worried about the lie you’re pointing out. that kind of lie is easy to detect.
and again, i’m glad this was posted because it avails the study of yet another very important tool in the devil’s arsenal, the subtile way of lying with statistics or numbers.
Posts 12 and 18 have the Guttmacher numbers.
The authors are wrong with their numbers and percentages, and with that bizarre quote, they don’t have any idea what those women’s political views are on abortion, or even the level of their relationship with and thoughts on Jesus.
If I understood you correctly, you mistook the writer’s words for Planned Parenthood’s or Guttmacher’s, doesn’t that explain how dishonest the article is, and why it would bother me?
The writer is trying to create and spread this lie to America. “”Those who claim to know Jesus and who protest against abortion the most account for nearly 80% of all abortions.””
summary, stratified sample numbers from post 12
none 28%, other 7%, protestant 37%, catholic 28%, total 90%?
obvious problem they dont add to 100%. there is an error from some source in your post.
even so comparing with the article numbers
22% none. other 8%, 43% protestant, 27% Catholic, 13% evangelical (not in your post).
your “Guttmacher” numbers are roughly in line with theirs (and other surveys i saw on the net, pew, etc)
and more importantly both numbers are roughly in line with the US census numbers (which is not a statistical sample but an actual count (my research at .gov).
so i’m preliminarily dismissing you claim that the numbers are made up.
NO, no, no. (they are 100%).
If the author is using Guttmacher’s numbers, then why doesn’t he use Guttmacher’s numbers?
The numbers do not match up with the census which has nothing to do with this anyway, and why won’t you explain why you seem to be supporting the author’s lie that he is trying to create and spread?
“”Those who claim to know Jesus and who protest against abortion the most account for nearly 80% of all abortions.””
sorry. quick adding in my head. again, the numbers look legitimate across many surveys, including your post. denying that is useless in my view.
the problem for me then is how to explain the numbers, because others will be ensnared by them.
Explain what numbers, to who, and why? The author is lying.
look up the central limit theorem.
it explains how statistical samples vary individually but approach in the limit (over many trials) the true population value (which is given by the us gov’t census in its general breakdown of self-reported religious membership).
those samples look like they are approaching a real distribution, to me. that is why i believe like Morgana that they are real.
the question is why does the abortion numbers from planned parenthood “match” statistically those of the general us pop?
This is incredible, simply amazing.
hey brother, i got to go, but Merry Christmas,ok!
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