Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

[verga]

I find it odd Christians grapple with creation. I can understand why skeptics, atheists and agnostics do, but not those proclaiming Christ as Lord and Savior.

Are they grappling because they don't "believe it happened" or that "it didn't happen that way"?

Or is it just innate human curiosity trying to make sense of something they can't quite wrap their brain around?

[verga]

Your numbers are correct up to a point. Cats reach maturation between 1 year and 18 months of age and can begin producing offspring immediately. Humans take much longer to reach maturation and a single offspring per year is the norm.

At that rate you would be looking at somewhere between 8-12 thousand years. Still well within the realm of possibility when you factor in variables such as war, pestilence, disease, natural disaster, etc....

Excellent research!

[circlecity]

Those who don’t really believe love an overly symbolic interpretation of scripture because it lets them allegorize their way to whatever conclusion they’ve already decided they want to reach. If Adam and Eve didn’t exist then Christ is a liar.

[Resettozero]

At that rate you would be looking at somewhere between 8-12 thousand years. Still well within the realm of possibility when you factor in variables such as war, pestilence, disease, natural disaster, etc...

Don't forget that the population was reduced to eight souls at one point.

[Resettozero]

If Adam and Eve didn’t exist then Christ is a liar.

And it is impossible for God to lie.

[metmom]

This nonsense should not be confused as Catholic doctrine. No legitimate Catholic theologian, rational Catholic, or Church dogma accepts a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories. Fundamentalists are on their own.

Well, it's certainly enlightening to know that the Catholic church doesn't even believe the Bible that it claims it wrote.

So why should we trust the RCC for anything else?

[ravenwolf]

I don’t think it does. The Hebrew word that you are reading translated as “generation” is a word that means an account,

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The account can be told in different ways, the word Generations in Hebrew is time periods or stages.

[verga]

Don't forget that the population was reduced to eight souls at one point.

Ummm, I thought we were talking from that point forward. Did I miss something?

[verga]

Don’t confuse the beliefs of one with the beliefs of the True Church.

[Resettozero]

Ummm, I thought we were talking from that point forward. Did I miss something?

Apparently I did.

Had A & E on the brain.

Carry on.

[Resettozero]

Don’t confuse the beliefs of one with the beliefs of the True Church.

You are correct.

Difficult often, though, to keep straight which is which on these FR RF threads, especially when one is not certain of the POV of another poster and who believes what and at which point he/she is in their Walk in the Spirit.

[metmom]

The poster didn’t claim that was his opinion but made a claim for the church.

Can you refute the claim?

[verga]

The poster didn’t claim that was his opinion but made a claim for the church.

The poster was speaking as an individual, stating an opinion on Catholic belief. Tot he best of my knowledge this is not Pope Francis or a member of the College of Cardinals. Therefore it is an opinion.

Can you refute the claim?

The CCC is available online for all to see. You have made the claim to be Catholic, you should know what Catholic teaching is. If what you said was accurate.

[verga]

Had A & E on the brain. Carry on.

After reading it for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th times, it could go either way. Now here is another question: Since the Bible does not mention Noah or his wife producing other children than all future generations came from them and there wives.

:Science claims to have documented that we all came from one female parent. Since presumably the wives came from different parents, and Noah's wife had different parents, doesn't this demand an "Eve"? I mean as the original progenitor.

[Resettozero]

Since the Bible does not mention Noah or his wife producing other children...

The Holy Bible does not mention at lot of things. But It is sufficient.

Presuming they had no more offspring after the Flood, yes, all of us can trace our lineage to Adam through either Shem, Ham, or Japheth.

Noah discovered the new properties of the fermented grape fairly quickly, didn't he.

[Verginius Rufus]

One example is Joshua 10.12-13: Joshua tells the sun and the moon to stand still and they do so. He doesn’t tell the earth to stop rotating.

[Verginius Rufus]

One example is Joshua 10.12-13: Joshua tells the sun and the moon to stand still and they do so. He doesn’t tell the earth to stop rotating.

[Resettozero]

Is the exact number of human beings who caused original sin any more essential than the names of the rivers in the Garden of Eden?

It all hinges on whether one believes Genesis or not. To a Christian, much depends on the validity of this part of the Holy Bible. And the Holy Spirit has confirmed that It is to be believed.

I choose to believe what God has said, as opposed to what man may conjecture about what God has said and done.

Now about those rivers...

Somehow, it is important that they were named. Still a mystery to me, other than it points to a particular area of the earth.

(IDK, but my lovely wife thinks it was where Jerusalem is now situated, or around Jerusalem or nearby.)

[editor-surveyor]

That is pure falsehood!

The encrusted marine life on the remains is quite thick.

Why would anyone dump anything there anyway?

Before Wyatt did his research, no living person even knew where the crossing was.

Or did you think your comment was funny?

[editor-surveyor]

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