Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
I am curious, are you approaching the above as a Christian? I ask because if you can process Jesus Christ changing a few loaves of bread and a few fish into a bounty for thousands to eat, then why the problem with God adjusting the 'clock' for His chosen?
Better yet, does what happens in Joshua 10 compare to Christ Jesus rising from the dead three days later?
Indeed. Only an ungrateful friend refuses to open a gift you give them.
I fail to see how it matters whether you agree or not, unless you are a scholar of the Hebrew language.
Why would you repeat this argument? Do you not understand that the N.T. is written in Greek, while Genesis is written in Hebrew, so the same word is not being translated?>>>>>
True but it has all been translated into English by translators who were ordained by God for the Chore.
I don`t have to spend hours in the dictionary every time I read a verse in the Bible.
Gen 2 says generations and you say it is not a continuation but an explanation.
Even if that is what it was it would still be instilling the idea that the six day creation was not literal for those who think it is literal.
And if it is to be taken literally some one could rightly say that it all happened in one day.
Do you not understand that God had the Bible translated into English so that we do not have to try to figure it all out by going to a language we do not understand?
I don't read Hebrew, but I just looked at the Septuagint and the KJV is a pretty accurate rendition of the Greek text. The NIV looks like it is a looser translation at least in this case. The Greek phrase means "upon the earth."
Do not dismiss the most important element:
God blessed Lot’s lineage through his daughters with a permanent gift of land, that he protected even from Israel.
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You are not following the thread/ question, belief in God was not what I was referring to at all.
“No I am not a scholar.”
Then maybe we should defer to scholars to find out the definitions of Hebrew words, eh?
“True but it has all been translated into English by translators who were ordained by God for the Chore.”
How exactly do you know that English translators were ordained by God?
“I don`t have to spend hours in the dictionary every time I read a verse in the Bible.”
No, and you really shouldn’t because most statements in the Bible are fairly easy to translate clearly. However, if there is a conflict arising from a translation, you might want to spend a few minutes to consult a reference to see if it can easily be cleared up.
“Gen 2 says generations and you say it is not a continuation but an explanation.
Even if that is what it was it would still be instilling the idea that the six day creation was not literal for those who think it is literal.
And if it is to be taken literally some one could rightly say that it all happened in one day.”
No, not if one keeps in mind the very important principle that God didn’t contradict himself when He wrote the Bible. If someone attempts to read that section of Genesis as a single day, then they have created a contradiction with other statements in the Bible that clearly state that God accomplished it all in six days. So, since the contradiction couldn’t come from God, it must come from their interpretation, and therefore, their interpretation invalidates itself.
“Do you not understand that God had the Bible translated into English so that we do not have to try to figure it all out by going to a language we do not understand?”
How do you know this? How do you know which translation God wants us to use? Or is any English translation to be automatically assumed to be authorized by God? What about conflicting translations? Or conflicts between English translations and translations in other languages? How can we resolve those without referencing the original texts?
Your answer, on its face, may seem to give an “easy way out” of studying the Bible more deeply, but it really just creates more problems than it solves.
Pretty much, they even have secret handshakes and passwords just like the Masons for their pseudo-Masonic rituals.
Did Adam and Eve Really Exist? >>>
Yes!! And to prove they do exist, Jesus spoke of I think Able... also 1Timothy 2:13 “For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” Jude 1:14 4
Romans 5:14 “But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.”
Enoch, of the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied also about them when he said, “Behold, the Lord has come with his countless holy ones” 1st Chronicles 1 Adam, Seth, Enosh,
2Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared,3Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech,4Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Well, the thread did not convince me and neither did you but I think we can get by with that, have a good night.
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Hillary, is that you in ravenwolf’s clothing?
I believe he was a Christian and he was a go getter ( ambitious ) I am just saying how I see him.
If I explained why I see him as I do it would take all night and it would not settle anything.
I’ve been following. My impression is some believe they think they know better than The Almighty:
Isaiah 45:
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.
More below:
Isaiah 29:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
>>I disagree with your conclusion here that the current position of Catholicism and Orthodoxy WRT creation and evolution is a reaction to Protestantism. I see it as their reaction to modern agnostic and atheistic “scientific” theories on the origin of the universe and life itself and a fear of appearing as nonscientific or “fundamentalist” and being open to criticism and mockery. It’s more of having your cake and eating it, too.<<
Not to mention taking the stand that God’s Word says what it means is not popular at cocktail parties. Which captures what you stated above.
I wonder how many Roman Catholics who support an evolutionary Genesis would support Blessed Mary as descended from a lower simian specie. Which of course she was not.
Genesis 1 shows Adam created on the 6th day. Genesis 1 gives us the ‘telescoping” of creation. Genesis 2 gives is the “microscoping” approach with Adam and Eve the center of subject.
Genesis 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Both Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day. It’s right there in Genesis 1 God created man both male and female.
In Genesis 2 we are introduced to the very first humans.
It don`t say Adam and eve were created on the sixth day, of course if you want to add a little I guess that is ok, all of the scholars do.
And then the continuation.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Baseball?
These are more like fowl balls!
Of COURSE they were; with no Magicsteeriems to enlighten them to what they'd be teaching shortly!
Luke 24:44-46
Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day...
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