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NO BIG BANG WITHOUT GOD, SAYS POPE FRANCIS
Brietbart ^ | by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D. 27 Oct 2014, 8:30 AM PDT | by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D. 27 Oct 2014, 8:30 AM PDT

Posted on 10/27/2014 1:47:14 PM PDT by RaceBannon

The Big Bang “doesn’t contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it,” Pope Francis said Monday morning, because the beginning of the world “is not the work of chaos.” The Pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, gathered in the Vatican to discuss “Evolving Concepts of Nature.” God is not some sort of wizard, said Francis, but rather “the Creator who brought all things into being.” The origin of the world derives directly “from a supreme Principle of creative love,” he added. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: apostasy; compromise; creation; evolution; heresy; pope; popefrancis
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To: YHAOS
The creation of God, says Pope Francis.

No, God spoke the universe into existence, says Pope Francis.

101 posted on 10/27/2014 4:06:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: freedumb2003

thjats why you should read it and fill out the questions, to learn something :)


102 posted on 10/27/2014 4:13:22 PM PDT by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: editor-surveyor

Hey buddy! Good to see you. Still eating the mushrooms from your front yard, I see?

Word to the wise - stop eating the red ones with white spots.


103 posted on 10/27/2014 4:31:38 PM PDT by HoosierDammit ("Everybody knows the fight's been fixed; the poor stay poor, the rich get rich." Leonard Cohen)
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To: MrB
>>No death before sin => evolution couldn’t happen<<

Isn't it interesting how those who promote any sort of evolution skip right over that rather inconvenient (to them) truth?

104 posted on 10/27/2014 4:41:23 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: freedumb2003; MrB
>>Arguably the strangest post I have ever seen on FR.<<

Please explain.

105 posted on 10/27/2014 4:43:23 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ealgeone
The statement was "Evolution is not supported by Scripture".

If scriptures are at odds with reality then the scriptures are wrong. Pretty simple.

106 posted on 10/27/2014 4:45:45 PM PDT by mlo
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To: HamiltonJay

So prove that what is taught by the Catholic Church today that isn’t found in scripture is what the apostles taught.


107 posted on 10/27/2014 4:53:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet; ealgeone
>>The Bible was never meant to be taken literally.<<

So it really is not the real flesh and blood of Christ?

108 posted on 10/27/2014 5:01:26 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ealgeone
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....."

BANG!

109 posted on 10/27/2014 5:05:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: HamiltonJay

The Catholic Church:

Catholics in the U.S. on average know little about the Bible (and no reason to think that’s different worldwide).

Heavily Catholic areas tend to be largely “post-Christian” and not very “Bible-minded” (from recent surveys).

Catholics support gay marriage at far greater rates than evangelical (Bible-believing) Christians, and while Bible belt states have resisted gay marriage, heavily Catholic states paved the way for it. The first 15, from Wikipedia - Massachusetts (44% Catholic), California (36%), Connecticut (43%), Iowa*, Vermont*, New Hampshire *, D.C.*, New York (^40%), Washington*, Maine (28%), Maryland (21%, Beliefnet), Rhode Island (43%), Delaware*, Minnesota*, New Jersey (37%), Hawaii*.

(*In Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Hawaii, the CC is the largest denomination, and the next largest denominations - and most of the “Protestants” - are mainline Protestants (except Hawaii - LDS). In D.C., there is no one particularly large denomination. In Washington, evangelicals and Mainline Protestants are about 25% each, with Catholics about 16%. Delaware is an exception to the pattern: 26% evangelical and 9% Catholic (Beliefnet), and I’m unsure about the rest at this time).

Heretics maintain their positions in the Catholic Church, even in leadership, despite what the Bible says about rejecting false teachers and prophets or else one is guilty of accepting them.

The Catholic Church largely though unofficially accepts Mary as “co-redemptrix.” Prominent Catholic leaders petitioned for official acceptance of this doctrine.

“When asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, (the then) Cardinal Ratzinger responded that, “the formula “Co-redemptrix” ***departs to too great an extent*** from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings...Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. ***A correct intention*** being expressed in the wrong way. [24] Pope Benedict XVI further explained his notable opposition of a dogmatisation, concluding that ***the title is sufficiently included*** in other better expressions of Catholic Marian teaching.” (Co-redemptrix, Wikipedia)

The Catholic Church has no problem with acceptance of Christ (confirmation) as a rite-of-passage and family expectation instead of as a personal conviction.


110 posted on 10/27/2014 5:30:36 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: CynicalBear

2 fragments with no logical nexus connected by an arrow.

Most strange and very f-christian (a long gone FReeper)


111 posted on 10/27/2014 5:32:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Zimmerman, Brown, Fast & Furious, IRS harassment, Philly ignorance: holdering in 1st degree)
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To: RaceBannon

You really don’t get to test me.

Next time, the link...


112 posted on 10/27/2014 5:37:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Zimmerman, Brown, Fast & Furious, IRS harassment, Philly ignorance: holdering in 1st degree)
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To: freedumb2003

There was no death before sin. Sin came with the first man Adam. No evolution since Adam.


113 posted on 10/27/2014 5:39:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: jwalsh07

No bang, it took 6 days, 6x24 hour periods (evening and morning)

Evolution and the Big Bang don’t need a creator. That’s not a problem. The creator didn’t use evolution or the Big Bang.


114 posted on 10/27/2014 6:06:58 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: ealgeone

What the Catholic Church means by the “literal sense” of Scripture and what fundamentalists mean by the term are not the same. When the Church speaks of the literal sense of Scripture, She is referring to getting at the actual meaning the author intended to convey. That is not the same as interpreting every phrase literally.


115 posted on 10/27/2014 6:07:49 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Didn’t you know that King Tut used to fly Hittite Airlines when he traveled back in the day. They were the sponsor of Thebes FC who won the Middle Kingdom Cup back in 2014 BC. I heard Tut had a huge fleet of SUV’s for the court’s guards.


116 posted on 10/27/2014 6:11:08 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Vaquero

Even Stephen admitted his mistake in a specific area of black holes.


117 posted on 10/27/2014 6:17:47 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
God DID create the Universe ex-nihilo. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Better get that message to PF then. He seems to be going off script....on a lot of things.

118 posted on 10/27/2014 6:18:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NKP_Vet
What the Catholic Church means by the “literal sense” of Scripture and what fundamentalists mean by the term are not the same. When the Church speaks of the literal sense of Scripture, She is referring to getting at the actual meaning the author intended to convey. That is not the same as interpreting every phrase literally.

Now that's comical that the catholic church, which has taken more verses out of context, claims to be getting to the actual meaning the author intended.

This is the same church that claims the Scriptures are insufficient.

Oh man....that's good.

119 posted on 10/27/2014 6:20:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: mlo
The statement was "Evolution is not supported by Scripture". If scriptures are at odds with reality then the scriptures are wrong. Pretty simple.

Which is more plausible?

Something (the universe) comes from nothing.

or

"In the beginning God created...."

120 posted on 10/27/2014 6:22:16 PM PDT by ealgeone
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