Posted on 10/12/2014 3:22:48 PM PDT by Heart-Rest
Its wilful ignorance to pretend that Europe did not develop it’s cruel feudal reality under the papacy and is wide reaching effect over there. And yes, including England. The entire rotten system was Europe wide and the papacy loved it as long as it got to pull strings with monarchs.
Sarcasm is just one more service I offer. I am sickened by your reply about statistics. God does not grade on the curve. Wrong is wrong and pointing out statistics about someone else doesn't lessen it. Protestant churchs don't have the networks and power to whisk deviants from one parish to another.
Europe’s feudal system was not remarkable in the least in the scope of human history — monarchism has always existed, both pre and post papal power. It was (and is) the human norm, and it’s existence in Europe arose because that, not because of the Catholic Church.
A feeble attempt to shift the blame in the face of the fact that as far as molestion, Protestant assemblies carry the greater portion.
Protestants seemingly LOVE to harp on the molestation issue -- until it becomes a Protestant thing. Then the high horse is mounted and statistics don't matter.
Take a gander at Revelation Chapters 2 and 3. Things are so bad in the churches, that there is only two things that can happen. Either Jesus leaves the church or................and I will let you read it to determine the “or” if you are so inclined. Willing to bet that few here will and that they will lean on their own understanding.
These are the churches that Roman Catholics start with and are proudly claim for their heritage. Off target from the beginning and needing correction. Now where is that correction going to come from? From the Roman Catholic church traditions? Read it again.
Now before someone states I am anti catholic, those churches are my heritage also. The admonition is for me also. It is for ALL of us and it should put some FEAR in us.
Now after reading Revelation 2 and 3 does anyone have any comments. I don’t want a “drive by posting” but some thinking and reflecting and evidence of ACTUALLY READING IT.
#1 Stats matter to God. One of His harshest warnings was about child molestation and leading them astray.
#2 Stats can be skewed when attacks are unreported through shame or fear.
#3 The only reason it was brought up was because of the high horse thesis of this thread.
From the movie EL CID (Modified by me)
The Prophet has commanded us
to rule the world.
Where in all your land of Spain
is the glory of Allah?
When men speak of you,
they speak of poets...
music makers, doctors, scientists.
Where are your warriors?
You dare call yourselves
sons of the Prophet?
You have become women!
Burn your books.
Make warriors of your poets.
Let your doctors invent
new poisons for our arrows.
Let your scientists
invent new war machines.
And then, kill!
Burn.
Infidels live on your frontiers.(CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS)
Encourage them to kill each other.
And when they are weak and torn...
I will sweep up from Africa...
and thus the empire of the one God,
the true God Allah...
- Allah is the one God.
- will spread.
First, across Spain.
Then, across Europe.
Then, the whole world!
That’s a total evasion. The RCC stood with monarchist, never against it.
Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”
What amazes me is nearly all those pics are demorats, yet most voting Catholics vote demorat.
Beg to differ from you **The papacy shouldn’t come before the US Constitution in anyone’s mind.**
First comes God
Family
Work
Other activities.
God is always first, and for me that means the Church that Christ established.
A few more thoughts, mostly random.
This speaks more to the nature of man than Catholics. You could substitute any group in the article. What group hasn’t experienced this? Even Hitler claimed this stuff happened to his followers. The victim mentality is strong and always has been.
Second, Jesus reminded us if that they will do it to Him, should we not expect the same? That is the part I don’t want to think about. I hope there is enough evidence that people might judge me..........................(but in the same breath, maybe not)
No, probably not, actually. The nativist "Know-nothing" anti-Catholicism was animated by anti-Irish and anti-immigrant prejudice. There were plenty of anti-Catholic roots stretching back into the English Reformation and post-Reformation era, all of which has a very monarchist and non-republican origin.
I don't know what you mean by "Catholics follow an earthly monarchy in Rome". The temporal power of the Pope as an earthly monarch stretches over a territory slightly smaller than that of Central Park in New York City. I'll wager that you've never actually personally met a citizen of the Vatican City state. The Pope's authority as a temporal ruler has no more authority over me as an American Catholic than Queen Elizabeth's authority as a temporal ruler has over American Episcopalians.
His spiritual authority is something else, of course.
If you're trying to resurrect the old canard that Catholics can't be good Americans, I'll be sure to let the two members of my immediate Catholic family who are currently active duty members of the American military know how you feel. In the eyes of some, Catholics have apparently always been "American enough" to fight and die for this country, just not "American enough".
Catholics ... come from the operating system that created European oppression
Excuse me? What exactly are you trying to say?
Not nearly the track record the U.S. education system has built - not by a factor of hundreds. But I expect that is not news to you; it seems your penchant for misrepresentation of salient (vs. salacious) facts is crystallizing into something opaque.
One would think that *Roman* Catholics would point principally to the church at *Rome* as their starting point; which church is not discussed in Revelation 2.
(All of the churches mentioned in Revelation, to the extent that the text is talking about actual historical churches and not using them as representative examples, are in modern-day Turkey, and are virtually extinct. And all of them -- to whatever extent they still exist -- would be properly called "Greek Orthodox," not "Roman Catholic".)
Off target from the beginning and needing correction.
Nothing founded by Christ is "off target from the beginning".
As far as needing correction, all that proves is that sinful humans are involved. What else is new?
Is this the official “we are an oppressed minority and deserve reparations and special treatment” thread?
Two of your examples are flat wrong and of them, one is indisputable.
The so called Rev. Wright is a racist and pretty much against more so much more than he professes to actually be for.
He’s not so much “ anti” anything.
He is mostly contrarian for the sake of being contrarian and to elevate his synthetic moral and spiritual self incarnation.
Reid et al. are never and have never been “Protestant” in anyway, shape form or passion.
He is Mormon and they have nothing about Catholics and Christians which are uhmmm, unflattering.
What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
“...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.
“Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers’ sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89
“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324
“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
“I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight” (Joseph Smith History 1:19).
“...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian.” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)
“...the God whom the ‘Christians’ worship is a being of their own creation...” (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)
“The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God.” (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)
“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best.” (John Taylor, JD 13:225)
“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God.” (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)
“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)
“...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the “Mormon’s” Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions.” (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)
“...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil.” (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the “whore of Babylon” whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness.” (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)
“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9
1 Nephi 14:10 “Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”
“Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).
Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).
Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray.Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.”(Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).
When it’s broken down Mass attending Catholics usually vote for the conservative. CINOs; that call themselves Catholic, but abide by none of it’s teachings vote for democrats. The exact same thing happens in protestant faiths.
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