Why would anyone become Catholic?

https://www.indiegogo.com ^ | October 2, 2014 | Indiegogo

[NKP_Vet]

Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?

As an evangelist and author who recently threw my own life into some turmoil by deciding to enter the Catholic Church, I've faced this question a lot lately. That is one reason I decided to make this documentary; it's part of my attempt to try to explain to those closest to me why I would do such a crazy thing.

Convinced isn't just about me, though. The film is built around interviews with some of the most articulate and compelling Catholic converts in our culture today, including Scott Hahn, Francis Beckwith, Taylor Marshall, Holly Ordway, Abby Johnson, Jeff Cavins, Devin Rose, Matthew Leonard, Mark Regnerus, Jason Stellman, John Bergsma, Christian Smith, Kevin Vost, David Currie, Richard Cole, and Kenneth Howell. It also contains special appearances by experts in the field of conversion such as Patrick Madrid and Donald Asci.

Ultimately, this is a story about finding truth, beauty, and fulfillment in an unexpected place, and then sacrificing to grab on to it. I think it will entertain and inspire you, and perhaps even give you a fresh perspective on an old faith.

[onedoug]

Sorry. I don’t understand your question.

[Iscool]

Nefarious ? I assume you had forgotten, or did not know about, the 1 John 5:7 controversy.

The entire reading was included in the earlier Catholic bibles like the 1582 Douay-Rheims and as late as the Douay version of 1950, but removed from later Catholic versions (St. Joseph NAB 1969, New Jerusalem bible 1985), but now once again the 2009 The Sacred Bible Public Domain Version has gone back to include it!

Here is just a partial list of those who contended for the authenticity of this verse.

Cyprian - 250 AD, Athanasius 350 A.D., Priscillian -385 AD, Jerome 420 AD, Fulgentius (late 5th century), Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Jaqub of Edessa, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, Desiderus Erasmus, Stephanus, Lopez de Zuniga, John Calvin, Theodore Beza, Cipriano de Valera, John Owen, Francis Turretin, John Wesley, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Andrew Fuller, Thomas F. Middleton, Luis Gaussen, Frederick Nolan, Robert L. Dabney, Thomas Strouse, Floyd Jones, Peter Ruckman, George Ricker Berry, Edward F. Hills, David Otis Fuller, Thomas Holland, Michael Maynard and Donald A. Waite.

Much, much more here...

[editor-surveyor]

His spoken words in the gospels are the list.

Chiefly, Matthew 5:17-20 is the main list. All the rest are just explanations and clarifications of those commandments.

Those that do his Torah he knows; those that dismiss it he knows not.

Those that love him all do his Torah, just as he did to show them.

They do it because he wrote it on their hearts.

If he has not written it on your heart, you should be asking him why!
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[boatbums]

When I became a Christian, i had not even heard that name. I was a young teenager. So, he had absolutely nothing to do with my salvation.

Same with me! I read a passage from Scripture (John 10:27-30) and the Holy Spirit open my eyes and heart to receive the gospel and Jesus Christ as my savior and shepherd of my soul. Neither Luther nor Roman Catholicism had anything to do with that!

[editor-surveyor]

Those that deny 1John 5:7-8 must not understand it.

John was writing of what he personally witnessed at the cross.
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[terycarl]

So show us where "those that were there WHEN HE SAID HIS WORDS..." taught the assumption of Mary.

those who were there when He said these words were the first Catholics and the Catholic church declared he dogma of the Assumption on 11/1/1950

[terycarl]

Catholics live in a delusional world. Jesus chose lowly fishermen and even they could read and write

pray tell, what did they have to read??? All books, at that time, were hand written.

[terycarl]

>>Only $39.99 (plus applicable taxes and S&H) will reserve YOU an early entry into Heaven.<< I'd make that "only three payments of $19.95". It sounds less expensive.

you seem to have forgotten..."but wait, do it now and you can bring a friend along....just pay shipping and handling..."

[terycarl]

Top 10 Worst Popes in History Top 10 Most Wicked Popes

WOW...you take an organization that has sucessfully carried forth the Christian religion for over 20 centuries......20 centurie is a real long time...and you find 20 people (1 per century) and try to make somethinf of it......we've had probably 6 lousy presidents in my lifetime...big deal

[terycarl]

Your ‘church’ wrote down confusion, to destroy the words and deeds of Yeshua and his apostles. Their words were already written 300 years before ‘your church’ was founded.

no they weren't...they were written down about l600 years before your church was invented....by the Catholic who were there at the time.

[JPX2011]

WOW...you take an organization that has sucessfully carried forth the Christian religion for over 20 centuries......20 centurie is a real long time...and you find 20 people (1 per century) and try to make somethinf of it......we've had probably 6 lousy presidents in my lifetime...big deal

It is a big deal to the protestant. What you must always remember is the protestant's outlook on anything Christian is determined by the impeccability of the individual. It's part of their process for determining Truth.

If you remember the Church had to deal with this early on with the Donatists who said that those who had rejected the Church under threat of persecution by the Roman Empire were tainted and incapable of confecting the sacraments. This heresy was put down eventually by St. Augustine and the early church fathers. Unfortunately its remnants are still with us.

Its modern incarnation is the itinerant protestant who moves from one ecclesial community to the other searching for that which conforms to their personal preference i.e., a level of impeccability that is personally pleasing. You can see it when two protestants interact with each other discussing their leaders. "I like so-and-so because he/she speaks to me and emphasizes this particular biblical exegetical style" etc. It goes into the realm of liking, "I like."

And thus putting their faith in men, specifically, the impeccability of their ecclesial leaders so many protestant sects rise and fall on the sinful nature of their pastors. They become scandalized and scatter to the wind. One way they combat this is by giving hire/fire authority to a committee within the congregation. But that just exacerbates the problem. Too often the leadership position is determined not by any standard of truthful teaching but by externals: preaching style, points of emphasis, etc.

So you see, whenever the protestant attempts to discredit the Catholic Church by bringing up "bad" popes they are just engaging in projection. It's their faith that is determined by the fallibility of men. Our faith is the One True Faith always will remain no matter whose in the Vatican.

[JPX2011]

How about it JPX, do you know His voice?

Yes I do. I hear it most often:

Take this, all of you, and eat of it for this is my body which will be given up for you. Take this, all of you, and drink from it for this is the chalice of my blood, the blood of the new and eternal covenant which will be poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.Do this in memory of me.

Also:

I absolve you in the name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

To be in the Catholic Church is to be In Christ.

[JPX2011]

Man alive, if i applied that to the questions coming RCs, esp. so as to disallow embedded anti-Prot. bias (though one RC omnisciently declared there never has been any by a Cath. on FR) then i think hardly any would qualify!:)

Perhaps. But really what it comes to is intent, does it not? I suppose if one's sole interest is to play "gotcha" games then by necessity the interrogatories must conform to the game in order to reach the desired outcome.

Thus, the structure of the question is this:

In order to conceivably arrive at the this:

And of course when the individual has the question put to them goes "outside the lines" they are to be labeled an obfuscator or engaging in evasiveness. Whatever it takes to keep them within the confines of the game.

Which in reality is nothing more than this:

A trip through someone else's mind. A construct of their own making whereby the boundaries are ever-shifting

Through the rabbit hole. A dangerous proposition.

[JPX2011]

We’ve said over and over - “Jesus alone is entirely necessary and sufficient for Salvation and entry into Heaven.” How is that “post-modern secularist” philosophy?

Where did that "alone" modifier come from?

Why is it never, "Jesus alone is entirely necessary and sufficient for Salvation and entry into Heaven"?

Did God say, "I am that I am" or did He say, "I am that I Am not?"

[Elsie]

If he has not written it on your heart, you should be asking him why!

I am a Gentile.

I have a copy of a letter written to them.

[Elsie]

John 10:27039

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
I and the Father are one.”

[Elsie]

those who were there when He said these words were the first Catholics and the Catholic church declared he dogma of the Assumption on 11/1/1950

Something about SHOW that is so hard to do?

[Elsie]

pray tell, what did they have to read???

Uh... signs, and monuments, and public notices

[Elsie]

... and try to make somethinf of it...

and Rome's members are taught that Luther was evil incarnate and that it's popes get a pass.

The blatant hypocrisy and one-way street is quite obvious.

[Elsie]

...they were written down about l600 years before your church was invented....by the Catholic who were there at the time.

John (the Catholic; while vacationing at Patmos) mentions seven Catholic churches that had already jumped the tracks and were headed for destruction.

What a great organization your first popes created and were leading.