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Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?
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But where is the historical perspective RCs demand in seeking to engage in damage control for the Inquisitions, and in this case the Jews overall had evidently made themselves rather unlovable, as i suspect they were in 1930's Germany, yet which does not excuse the treatment that Luther and popes and other Catholics advocated. [bold emphasis mine]
It seems to me you are blaming the Jews themselves for being unlovable by declining to convert or simply disappear, including the Jews in the Holocaust, which I suppose is the same view you would apply to the Waldensian Protestants, that they made themselves unlovable as well. I find this troubling, a blaming if the victim if you will.
A German woman and her daughter in dresses walked by a concentration camp fence, perhaps on their way to church. The little girl saw all the gaunt men standing near the wire. "Mommy, who are those people ?, asked the little girl. "Those are not people. Those are Jews" the mother answered.
True story; sounds hauntingly better in the German in which it was said. I suppose those Jews were unloved, and the mother did not fulfill the positives of Matthew 25. God help us to fulfill Matthew 25 as sheep and not goats.
Like the apparent contradiction of the virgin Mary remaining a physical virgin after giving birth to a human Jesus? Would you like to point to any post here, or anywhere, where a "Protestant" claims a complete understanding of the Trinity? There IS acceptance of infinite things our finite minds are incapable of grasping - it's called faith. For someone who claims to only be here to protect all the gentle, innocent FRoman Catholics from the unspeakable abuse we heap on them, you are doing quite a bit of abuse heaping yourself.
You can assume anything you want. I posted the full contents of the Greek we have today. You then, in some nefarious attempt, indicated there was conflict about that verse. So in allowance for your little nitpick I showed that even if the rest of the verse is disregarded the totality of scripture on the matter doesn't change.
>>Are you removing inspired words of the Holy Spirit from the Bible in this post or did you add words not inspired by the Holy Spirit to the Bible in post 2985 ?<<
I changed nothing. I allowed for your little nitpick then showed scripture still consistent on the subject. I posted from just one version, the KJV, rather than including all versions plus the Greek because of space and my assumption I was dealing with an intelligent person who would realize there are different versions with the Greek to check for accuracy. My apologies for overrating your intelligence.
I understand your frustration and need to dwell on minutia and diversionary tactics. Staying away from the blatant self admitted paganism of Catholicism and having just been shown the facts of the atrocities of your chosen religion is hard to face. Just understand I'm not going down the silly rabbit trails you wish I would.
When you show where the apostles taught the assumption of Mary, get rid of the paganism within the Catholic Church that God condemned, and follow Christ rather then some stand in or "other Christ" maybe we could play down your rabbit trail.
It always seems to make them feel better if they can show somone else did it too. It's that group salvation mentality I suppose.
Poor things can't even understand "For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light". What an awful bondage Catholicism causes.
Putting your faith in Yeshua requires believing, and doing all he said.
True believers understand this simple principle, while the ‘easy believers’ instead pick a verse here and there that sound like what they wish to hear, and believe them, in their misunderstood state, discarding the meat of Yeshua’s message.
It must be nice to be able to reduce one’s faith to a2 + b2 = c2. Remind me again why Protestants are not post-modern secularists.
We’ve said over and over - “Jesus alone is entirely necessary and sufficient for Salvation and entry into Heaven.”
How is that “post-modern secularist” philosophy?
Okay, then with this permission and the evidence, I assume your assembly does not believe in verbal plenary inspiration if the Scriptures.
I posted the full contents of the Greek we have today.
Actually, you did not. You posted part of 1 John 5:7 seemingly indicating you do not believe the entire verse (which affirms the Triune nature of God very clearly) is the inspired words of the Holy Spirit.
You then, in some nefarious attempt, indicated there was conflict about that verse. So in allowance for your little nitpick I showed that even if the rest of the verse is disregarded the totality of scripture on the matter doesn't change.
Nefarious ? I assume you had forgotten, or did not know about, the 1 John 5:7 controversy. Here is a link to help you argue it from your point of view
“5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.” ‑‑NET Bible Before τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, the Textus Receptus reads ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι. 5·8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ (“in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 5:8 And there are three that testify on earth”). This reading, the infamous Comma Johanneum, has been known in the English-speaking world through the King James translation. However, the evidence—both external and internal—is decidedly against its authenticity. Our discussion will briefly address the external evidence.1
Your ‘church’ wrote down confusion, to destroy the words and deeds of Yeshua and his apostles. Their words were already written 300 years before ‘your church’ was founded.
LOL!!! I had very little understanding who Luther was and still know very little about the man. But one of the things I do know is that he was right about the Church.
Uh huh. The problem with that polemical assertion is that protestants assume for themselves the authority to define what constitutes Him, attributing finite qualities according to their own personal preference. Hence the “alone” qualifier of which they are the arbiter. Belief in God as expressed via negative proposition is not belief at all.
John 10:1-6
“Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.
How about it JPX, do you know His voice? Those of us who know Him know His voice and we follow. Catholics do not know His voice so they follow and rely on men who are of the world instead of Jesus who is our Good Shepherd.
We don’t “define Him” as your Popes, Cardinals and Bishops attempt. We know Him, hear Him and obey Him. Turn from your detestable practices and choose Him.
Do you hear an audible voice ? I believe my apostles walked with him and heard his voice. I believe Saul heard his voice. You ? No. When you use the word "we" are you referring to yourself ? Just remember he was speaking directly to the apostles here.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Are you saying you DON’T hear Him?
I see...
Man alive, if i applied that to the questions coming RCs, esp. so as to disallow embedded anti-Prot. bias (though one RC omnisciently declared there never has been any by a Cath. on FR) then i think hardly any would qualify!:)
What? What Catholic told you paedobatism was the predominate, let alone universal position in Protestantism? Or is this another diversion?
I thought the general issue was Why Would Anyone Become Catholic?
But as most anyone knows, this can get into many issues relative to the polemical question with an antiProt. bias.
There are a number of inconsistencies among the antiCatholic alliance that preclude it from being part of one holy catholic apostolic church.
According to an autocratic self-proclaimed church. Which leads to there are a number of inconsistencies among the antiProtestant Catholic alliance that preclude it from being the one holy catholic apostolic church.
That was a sad admission. True for most who follow the teaching of the Catholic Church. They don’t know His voice.
Which is simply another example of your spurious attempts at psychology and or an inability to be objective. If you read some of the criticism of the behavior and attitude of the Jews in the middle ages by your own church, and Luther and contemporaries, then you would - well, you could if you allowed it - see it was not a matter of "declining to convert or simply disappear." But it seems you are one of those who thinks eating a hot dog is antisemitic.
Meanwhile, though we are supposed to be following Luther like a pope according to some RCs, evangelicals, including myself, are the most pro-Israel non-Jewish religious group in America.
Oh, but a certain Catholic knows more about your heart than you do. Stop living denial you advocate of latria for Luther!
Where's the list?
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