Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
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And don't forget that "breathing" is also consistent with pagan practice. Do you know any non-Catholic Christians who do not incorporate "breathing" into their worship practice? (That would give a brand new meaning to the phrase being "slain in the spirit"!)
Those books are history. They help to fill the details of the events that happened in the era they were written.
They are not useless, but they are not scripture. Should we treat them like they are to be ignored and burned, NO. They are worth the time to read, but remember they are not scripture.
Hopefully, Mr. Becker's student did a little bit more homework and figured out that he was telling her a lie - Luther did NOT "jettison" the Apocryphal books. She would also realize that if he lied to her about that, what ELSE was he being dishonest about and WHY?
Josephus, writing in 70 A.D., refutes that contention. Look it up.
Melito of Sardis, writing A.D. 180 or so, did not encounter any story such as "the Jews threw out certain books" but upon himself traveling to Jerusalem to find out came away with the info which concurs with Josephus. There's two witnesses at least, agreeing.
This alleged "throwing out" biz is based upon what slim evidences there are for a re-gathering up by the Jews of that era of what the Romans had seemingly scattered --- of their religion.
There was some rabbinical heritage (perhaps a couple of hundred years of it by 90 A.D) which had included schooling to some degree.
After the overthrow of the Temple (where persons could go to access the scrolls and listen to midrash explanations of what was read from them) rabbinical schools themselves came more into their own.
They didn't "throw out" the Maccabean and other writings at that time -- for those had been previously to that time most widely rejected as being NOT equal to or part of their Tanakh at all.
Your multiple Christ-denying sects are not bashed enough. Don't like being bashed, learn authentic Christianity from the Fathers of the Church.
Protestant "bibles" don's have them. Whose fault is that?
Christianity isn’t about Popes and Bishops, it is all about Christ.
...and Synod of Hippo included them: Synod of Hippo. So it cannot be true that "the early Christian fathers declared them inspiration but not on the same level as scripture". What the Jews and the Protestants did has nothing to do with Christianity. Them's the facts.
Christianity is about the historical teaching of the Holy Church who witnessed the miracles of Christ, not your theological fantasies invented by charlatan Luther a thousand years later.
Why is it relevant what the deniers of Christ did or didn't?
Not one reference to TaNaKh in the first link. Certainly the Talmud is referenced but like other religions which do not ground their tradition in scriptures errors abound.
Well that is a distortion of the original point. The Hebrews hold Torah as the ultimate authority. None of the pagan practices of praying to the dead or for the dead is mentioned in Torah, the Prophets or even the Writings. You would have to refer to the A.D. Talmud for such. Which is manmade tradition and not TaNaKh. At every turn Jesus Christ rebuked the manmade machinations of the Pharisees.
The NT tells us it is appointed unto man to die once and then judgment. Also the gulf between the Rich man and Lazarus could not be passed. All of these matters Jesus and the apostles address. We have no OT Hebrew accounts of Hebrews praying for the dead. There are no NT accounts for praying to Anyone other than The Father.
There are however plenty of TaNaKh and NT references to marriage, kids eating and drinking since the Hebrew tribes had to live too. And as having the flesh of a man, Jesus Christ ate food and drank wine, endorsed marriage etc.
So linking such necessary functions of human life to non Torah and non NT practices is a fallacious premise.
You may now quote the various non Hebrew texts and which I of course will respond with "show me the command from YHWH through a prophet instructing this process of praying for the dead or showing approval of such."
Seeing this posted article leads me to conclude the student should be teaching the class. She had the correct questions and the author answered none of them biblically.
Please show me where Christ or apostles quote from apocryphal sources.
Well it ends up being a drill in futility for them..as they are firmly and logically thrashed on each point.
LOL you may want to flip to Matthew 25 and read the first parable. Do think Jesus approved of bride’s maids. But He raised the dead not teach His disciples to pray for them or to them.
Utter nonsense.
That is not a serious response.
That is a silly and non-serious response.
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