Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”

Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

[Elsie]

Your authority (Protestant, and therefore already suspect)...

I just LOVE the 'authority' that the RCC has historically experienced!

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Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

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I suspect all this "scholarship" is just another Protestant attempt to rewrite history.

Nah...

...it is what it is.

[Elsie]

Your choice of the one word over the other betrays much.

You don't say....

[Elsie]

The fang and claw protestants see much that does not exist.

Really?

Ha, ha, HA!

[Elsie]

The question of canon is, of course the business of the Church and she, lead by the Holy Ghost, defined the Canon to be what it is.

[Elsie]

Protestant obfuscatory passages are generally not, even though the Protestant translations in part contain correct text that approximates the original.

Yer gettin' there.

Can I expect the LIST soon?

[Elsie]

In Genesis 3:15 they vary in the pronoun, yet the meaning is correct either way, for Neither Jesus nor His blessed mother crushed the Serpent literally, yet both are connected to the victory: Mary as Christ’s mother and Christ - directly.

I think someone is 'seeing things' that are not there.

¹³ Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

¹⁴ So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
¹⁵ And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman ,
    and between your offspring^[a] and hers;
he will crush^[b] your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”

¹⁶ To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.”

 

[Elsie]

What “many teams?”

Exactly!

[Elsie]

The real challenge is to have an authority that has both the scent of integrity and a catholic respect and trust.

Sigh...

The real challenge is to have "a workman approved by GOD".

[Elsie]

Some have not figgered out yet that “words mean things”.

[Elsie]

It doesn't really matter much except for obvious slanted versions of the Bible.

There may be some folks lurking, or perhaps even POSTING, that are not clued in to as just WHICH versions are being spoken of.

[Elsie]

All this talk and accusations of Christians self "interpreting" the Bible is just a way of distracting from the message....

Shhsh!

No one is supposed to notice.

[Elsie]

of course one sardonic carpenter said not all those who say lord lord will enter the kingdom, but only those who does the work of the father.

Micah 6:8

⁸ He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
    And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
    and to walk humbly with your God.

 

 

^{John 6:28-29}

^{Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”}

[Elsie]

 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

[CynicalBear]

>>I must say I was gobsmacked a while back when someone posted Genesis 3:15 with the he changed to she!<<

They do a lot of that. The sad part is that so many people put their full faith and trust in that organization for their eternal destiny.

[CynicalBear]

Well done and spot on.

[CynicalBear]

>>but only those who does the work of the father.<<

Jesus told us what that is.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Lest any man pervert the gospel and add man made rules.

[vladimir998]

“I see no common mistake unless I failed to quote Jesus in Luke 24 in a more suitable language for you.”

Of course you don’t see the common mistake. That’s why it’s so common.

[af_vet_1981]

If you are alluding there is some "scent" problem or lack of integrity on the part of management here, if that is what you meant...that's just so much continuance of this particular evil meme that has been circulating around this forum as some kind of virus.

No, my points are more nuanced than that.
1. "I say, my dog has no nose. No nose ? How does he smell ? Blooming awful."
2. Scents are both objectively and subjectively perceived.
3. A meme is not evil simply because one perceives it's smell to be questionable.
4. Like an offensive lineman is perceived to be almost always holding to protect his teammate, your previously referenced comment seemed to be mind-reading dsc's motive. I, however, attribute no evil motive or judgment to it.
5. Mormons are an excellent example, as are Moslems, Jews, liberals, and Republicans. If one strongly disagrees with a group's associated beliefs, the desire to obliterate those beliefs can become overpowering. Now look at the Catholic/Protestant/Other debates/threads. In general, it is my studied opinion that Protestants/Other regard Catholics as unsaved, lost, and targets for "street evangelism." OTOH, Catholics tend to view Protestants as separated brethren who err doctrinally (unsure about Other since they refuse to identify and tend to cults), but who are also destined for salvation if they have believed the Gospel and persevere in the faith to the end in a state of grace (perfect act of contrition for all mortal sins they may commit). I think this key difference allows the former to regard the latter as an abomination and the lust to silence them can overwhelm any godly inclinations, while Catholics tend to become angry and unruly when someone insults, or is perceived to insult, their beloved mother (God love them and keep them from sin). Witness the cacophony and barking that ensued when the RM disciplines someone (like dsc), and the comments that follow. It might be hard not to imagine one has gained a victory when a referee has silenced another one regards as an enemy. No persuasion occurred, perhaps mockery, coercion and a perception of bias remain.
6. There are two aspects of a judge, public and private. The private God will judge, and very strictly. Numerous scripture attests to this. The public, well ... Witness the SC to see the fallout on the nation of a bad public image. I don't happen to think rebellion is an option, nationally or FR wise, as we turn our eyes to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and the great cloud of witnesses watching us, who Catholics tend to regard as family.
7. While some would cheer the exodus of Jews and Catholics from FR so that some closely held belief system is not challenged, history shows that they simply turn on each other and consume their own. Preaching Alabama, Movement a Church, really ? As certain also of your own poets have said, "You don't have to be worrying about those people. You never see those people anyway. ... I guess it doesn't matter anyway."
8. Thank you for a kind reply.

I realize you may have been trying to help, and my reply here is a little hard-edged, and you yourself deserve a modicum of decency, in the least. But I watched the Mormons pull similar whiny stunts trying to take over and force the admin here into disallowing criticisms of their their own history, doctrines, and beliefs. The trouble there was..they were not near subtle and slick enough about it --AND they lacked the raw numbers. They lost, and lost badly... If people here don't respect the forum moderator all I can say is stop complaining and LEAVE. Just GET OUT. People here are asking too much of that person. And it's chiefly because they cannot see THEMSELVES. Present company (yourself) excepted from that last judgement, as far as I can tell...

[af_vet_1981]

I meant to delete the last paragraph but my phone became unruly and ignored my intent.

[af_vet_1981]

The phrase "seem to me" makes the statement an expression of the poster's own mind rather than a reading of the correspondent's mind.

Ah, understood; seems to me I should include it in next weeks practice to cut down on team penalties. :)