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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: editor-surveyor; SampleMan
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS (Iésous).

Iésous - Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.

Stop spreading that Michael Rood filth.

701 posted on 10/06/2014 3:04:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: CynicalBear

Iésous is the Greek translation of the curse.

Interestingly, even though the Greek uses it for both Yeshua and Joshua of the old testament, the English translators managed to correct the insult for Joshua.


702 posted on 10/06/2014 3:10:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dsc
Because Catholics simply do not hate Protestants and Protestantism as some Protestants appear to hate Catholicism and Catholics.

I disagree. I think there IS observable evidence that many FRoman Catholics do seem to hate Protestants, Protestantism and even those who do not identify as Protestant but who are not-Catholic Christians. There are a few who regularly say untrue, malicious, and downright despicable things about Protestantism and not Catholic Christians, going so far as to judge their eternal salvation. It's astounding to me that some people seem to be blinded to this reality.

I also believe the Religion Moderator is entirely fair and even handed and does a good job of responding to complaints. It's unreasonable to expect him/her to comb through every Religion Forum thread looking for violations. Elevating the discourse here needs ALL of us to accomplish that on our own and not having to have the Moderator babysit us.

703 posted on 10/06/2014 3:13:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: rwilson99; CynicalBear
Where is Jesus quoted to say ‘do as I say, but not as I do.” in scripture.

The Apostles were certainly present, why would they be present for such a conversation but not be permitted to emulate the behavior of Christ in this regard?


We are to emulate Jesus in those things that can be emulated without going against His will for us. But there are things Jesus did and will do we can never emulate.  We are not God.  We will never sit on the throne of Heaven. We will never create a universe and name all the stars. And we do not have permission to talk to the deceased. We have in fact been warned not to.

In any hierarchy of emulation, we must begin at first principles. Jesus, being God, can do things permanently beyond us, for all eternity. But there are things we can emulate, because they fall withing the range of redeemed human nature. Probably the most basic way in which we should emulate Christ is this: Jesus was completely obedient to the Father. Even though He was Himself God. He emptied Himself of the full range of things God could do, in order to become our Savior:
Php 2:5-8  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  (6)  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  (7)  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  (8)  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
If we know God does not desire us to be communicating with the dead, and we do, we can hardly emulate the obedience of Jesus by disregarding the express will of the Father.

Peace,

SR
704 posted on 10/06/2014 3:14:54 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: boatbums

Sweet!


706 posted on 10/06/2014 3:31:42 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Elsie

(:D


707 posted on 10/06/2014 3:35:57 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Elsie

I got a hearty laugh from your cartoon. Very funny. Its depiction of Christianity, however, after my laughter subsided, I had second thought about.

While not all Muslims are Mullahs, I rather doubt Muslims would have a problem with the way the cartoon depicted them. Likewise, Jews and the Rabbi.

As this thread will attest, having the Papacy represent Christianity, “the only true church” as they like to call themselves, is gross inaccuracy to Protestants.

Sadly, Judaism and Islam do think of Christianity as the cartoon depicts, pompous paganized Popery. The general unbelieving public too, perhaps, most of whom haven’t a clue as to what true Christianity is.

Not all is inaccurate in the cartoon I note: Catholics frequenting bars is quite common. Catholic Ireland, for instance, is known for it, having long been equated to hard drinking Catholics and their pubs.

I know, its just a cartoon, and not to be taken as seriously as I have. Anything for a laugh, you know.


708 posted on 10/06/2014 3:50:52 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: editor-surveyor
And where exactly did you learn that? Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew)as a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.
709 posted on 10/06/2014 3:52:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: CynicalBear; SampleMan

>>Well, Moses did come down, so there is precedence, so let’s just say that it isn’t a cornerstone of my faith.<<

And any attempt at communicating with them was quickly stopped and focus was directed at Christ.


The deciples wanted to build shrines and “venerate” them but God rebuked them and told them to turn to Jesus.

Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation. Coredemtrixes are not only unnecessary, they’re also an insult to our Savior and Creator.


710 posted on 10/06/2014 3:53:40 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: SampleMan; metmom; caww; CynicalBear
As Jesus was not predisposed to stone sinners, and had shown a willingness to bend the law on the Sabbath, I would have to conclude that there were conflicts between Jewish law, and God's Law, and He was referrencing God's Law.

They were ready to stone Jesus because he “forgave sins” when “only God may forgive sins.” What they said was true; however, they failed to recognize Jesus as God.

Concerning the Sabbath, Jesus asked “is it right to do good or evil.”

Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Law. That doesn't give us a pass to commit detestable practices.

711 posted on 10/06/2014 4:00:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
>>Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation. Coredemtrixes are not only unnecessary, they’re also an insult to our Savior and Creator.<<

I pray there are Catholics who read these threads that come to that truth through God's grace and leave that apostate organization.

712 posted on 10/06/2014 4:03:42 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: SampleMan

Sorry, no!

Iesous is phonetically Yay-soos, which has no relation to Yeshua nor Yehoshua.

If you were paying attention, you are already seeing that Yshu and Yay-soo are exactly the same. The s is usually added for Greek pronunciations

The Greek text uses the curse, not his name.


713 posted on 10/06/2014 4:04:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rwilson99; CynicalBear
Jesus spoke with Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguration.

Jesus could do so because he is God incarnate. The disciples weren't allowed to because the were not God incarnate.

When you are God incarnate you can do whatever you want. Until then you should love, serve and obey the Lord.

714 posted on 10/06/2014 4:07:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: SampleMan

There are always those kook cults. One says it has to be yah the other says yah is the Egyption moon god. I pray the Holy Spirit takes them all out of their casting doubts.


715 posted on 10/06/2014 4:08:30 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: rwilson99; Elsie

She gave birth to the Christ at considerable risk of being divorced and stoned to death.

All without the benefit of witnessing a single miracle or sermon.


Other than the Angel Gabriel’s appearance. I don’t know about you but I’d call that miraculous!


716 posted on 10/06/2014 4:22:56 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

....”Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Law. That doesn’t give us a pass to commit detestable practices”.....

When you become a Christian you change within and how you view sin. It’s never the same after one becomes the Lord’s because you see through His eyes.

Therefore you don’t do what you might have before because you know right away if you’re going the wrong direction. Conviction comes swiftly!


717 posted on 10/06/2014 4:23:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: editor-surveyor

You are a Johnny come lately on the issue of the name of our savior. As an English speaker, I doubt you know Greek better than the ECF, the “Early Church Fathers” who lived and wrote around 1800 years ago.

They knew Greek well, they lived much closer to the events of the New Testament than you - and not a one of them saw the name Iesous as a curse.

They wrote “Iesous” in hundreds of places. You hold to a modern theory far removed from the truth.


718 posted on 10/06/2014 4:24:27 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Religion Moderator; All

“It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.”

I hope if some smart aleck shows up declaring himself to be a freeper and a Satanist the Viking kitties will shred him tooth and claw?!

I admit to absolute intolerance to the idea of Freeper Satanists! I understand letting the Freeper atheists hang out. It is better to let such rave on that all should know them mad!


719 posted on 10/06/2014 4:33:23 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

“and had shown a willingness to bend the law on the Sabbath”

He didn’t bend the law of the Sabbath, he correctly taught how the Sabbath should be treated and practiced as God had always meant it should be. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, the living word of God. There was no bending of any law, there is no inconsistency in him.

The Sabbath was for rest and relaxation...a time for reflection and a time for joy. The Sabbath was never meant to be a weekly funeral dirge!


720 posted on 10/06/2014 4:39:23 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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