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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: annalex
Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

God consistently refers to the woman as Eve but Catholics would have us believe God switched? Please.

1,021 posted on 10/10/2014 7:21:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: annalex
The point was that the promise involves Mary in the context.

It plainly does not.

The context WAS posted and you avoided it completely.

Learn to read and comprehend the matter read.

1,022 posted on 10/10/2014 7:29:50 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
That is Mary’s presence in the context.

No; it is not.

You saying it over and over what you've been convinced of is not convincing anyone else.

1,023 posted on 10/10/2014 7:31:11 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
It is a good idea to read the Holy Bible every once in a while.

It would be better to take some remedial English classes.

1,024 posted on 10/10/2014 7:31:42 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
God consistently refers to the woman as Eve but Catholics would have us believe God switched? Please.


1,025 posted on 10/10/2014 7:35:04 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

It’s stunning. And they post as if no one is actually going to “search the scriptures” to see if what they say is true. It amazes me that someone would just blindly follow.


1,026 posted on 10/10/2014 8:07:23 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: CynicalBear

Those people just happen to be members of the One Holy Catholic Church here and in heaven.


1,027 posted on 10/10/2014 8:12:15 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: CynicalBear

You would have us believe that all men, since they are Eve’s descendants are Jesus Christ and crush Satan?


1,028 posted on 10/10/2014 8:13:29 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Elsie

You too think that Eve’s descendants defeat Satan?


1,029 posted on 10/10/2014 8:14:59 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
>>Those people just happen to be members of the One Holy Catholic Church here and in heaven.<<

Or so Catholics have been deceived to believe.

1,030 posted on 10/10/2014 8:23:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: annalex

That was really lame. Sad actually.


1,031 posted on 10/10/2014 8:24:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: annalex
Beckwith does acknowledge a gradual interest in the deuterocanonicals among Christian writers, but this actually supports his conclusion that the "wider Alexandrian canon," as he calls it was a Christian, and not a Jewish development.  The evidence drawn from the various canonical debates of the Jewish period do not revolve around the deuterocanonicals, but books we would both regard as securely canonical, namely Ruth, Song of Solomon, and Esther.  This is the canon that would be relevant to Timothy's Bible.  

As for bias, there could be no testimony at all in this subject matter if every expert witness was required to have no personal affiliation with a religion. Bias in this case must be found, if at all, in the approach the scholar takes to evidence.  Not that he must agree with our conclusions to avoid a charge of bias, but that he must demonstrate reasonable consideration of the available evidence and logical, consistent analysis of the data. After that, if he's got valid credentials and a good reputation among his peers as an expert in his field, his opinion can be presented, even if his conclusions are disagreeable to us. At that point, to discredit him would require other expert testimony shown in some way to be superior, better evidence, better analysis, etc.  But a decisive expert opinion is not bias, and would not, by itself, discredit his testimony.

Peace,

SR
1,032 posted on 10/10/2014 9:08:56 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: annalex
It is often the case that we read something in the scripture and not fully know the context; yet we obey the scripture as written, including admitting that if some detail is not provided then it is not necessary. The exact composition of “the scripture” is not given by St. Paul, but the qualification “known to thee since infancy” is given. Therefore, however imprecise the composition of the Septuagint was copy to copy (remember, they were not physically one object as modern books are), what was important to st. Paul is that the Septuagint is inspired in any of its configurations.

Paul WAS quite specific with Timothy concerning Scripture when he said:

    That from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 timothy 3:15-17)

What OTHER sacred writings do we have that were "inspired by God", that Timothy could have know "since infancy" and can give one the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ? Even Peter clarified that the Scripture they both meant was that which, "never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21). Though there is question whether Timothy learned the Scriptures from the Hebrew or the Greek Septuagint, Paul clearly is speaking of ONLY that which was God-breathed, sacred Scripture. Like I've said already, if some wish to believe God breathed the words of the Apocrypha, they will have to explain how the Holy Spirit could have possibly made so many mistakes and contradicted Himself like these books often did.

The issue of canon of the Old Testament did not concern the Church till about 3rd century. we see some fathers approve of the Deuterocanon and others disapprove. Prior to that, the Church was mostly concerned with the provenance and authenticity of the New Testament books. When the Church concerned herself with this issue, she worked out the canon by the early 5 c. The Council of Carthage is evidence that the matter was settled.

The church was mainly concerned with spreading the gospel and leading souls to saving faith in Jesus Christ. The local churches received the letters of the Apostles and their disciples, copied them, read them, learned them and obeyed them based on the authority of the Apostles of Jesus Christ. That was all they needed to know and, because these words were Holy Spirit inspired, their power to change lives and raise up Godly men to carry on the teachings was evidence that they indeed came from God.

I had hoped by now, after so many times this contention has been dismantled, that it wouldn't be brought up again - and in the same thread, yet - but we already have proof that these "councils" did no such thing. We already know it was STILL being contested into Trent and that was a thousand years AFTER Carthage. If Roman Catholics want to assert the Apocrypha were read by some in the early church, I won't argue. But, if they want to assert these books were placed with the sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament along with those that made up the New Testament, and called the Christian "canon" (which means "rule of faith", BTW), and then insist this conferred those books as ALL God-breathed Scripture and every Christian MUST accept them that way, then we have a problem. I respect the word of God too much to believe humanly devised myths, fables and legends deserve equal consideration.

1,033 posted on 10/10/2014 9:42:14 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex

Just reread your post and noted your agreement on the question of bias. Tired reader syndrome. No intent to be argumentative in my further statements on bias. Going to bed now ...


1,034 posted on 10/10/2014 10:38:29 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: annalex
You too think that Eve’s descendants defeat Satan?

Isn't EVERYONE 'descended' from Eve; The Mother of ALL Living?

1,035 posted on 10/11/2014 4:50:51 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; Elsie
Genesis 3:15 speaks of the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent. That is Mary’s presence in the context.

No it isn't. It's speaking of Eve. Jesus is her seed as well as Mary's. It's quite a stretch to say that this scripture is "Mary’s presence in the context."

In the context, it is Eve.

I under stand why the Catholic religion has to see Mary there, but it just isn't so.

It is a good idea to read the Holy Bible every once in a while.

I would suggest that you increase your frequency of Bible reading. And pray the Holy Spirit shows you what it means.

If you are using a Catholic version, compare to the Greek and Hebrew for clarification of scriptures that are difficult for you to understand correctly.

1,036 posted on 10/11/2014 8:27:15 AM PDT by Syncro (The Body of Christ [His church]: Made up of every born again Christian. Source--Jesus in the Bible)
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To: annalex; Syncro; Elsie; CynicalBear

Do you mind telling us how this prophetic crushing of the seed of the woman’s head is supposed to work out in real time? Is it Mary who is the prophesied great warrior from heaven who is to defeat the antichrist and his armies at Armageddon? Mary is to do this instead of Christ?

Was she wounded in her heel grappling with the seed of the serpent at the first advent? (We Protestants believe this depicts Christ at the first advent)


1,037 posted on 10/11/2014 12:49:40 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Correction:

Do you mind telling us how this prophetic crushing of the seed of the serpent’s head is supposed to work out in real time?

The head crushed is the seed of the serpent, not the seed of the woman. The picture to our mind, is the seed of the woman grappling with the seed of the serpent. To kill a snake, you go for the head.


1,038 posted on 10/11/2014 2:03:20 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

bump


1,039 posted on 10/11/2014 3:50:06 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

I’m sure paul was very intelligent, but I am dumb and your long post made my eyes gaze over...

I tend to be like Peter who complains he doesn’t always understand Paul’s writings but says you should read them anyway.

However, Jesus tended to teach by using stories, and he is a bit more nuanced in how you are saved. In one verse, he says you are saved if you believe in him. In another, he notes that saying Lord Lord isn’t enough, and in a third one he notes that at the last judgement, some who get to heaven don’t recognize him, but are admitted because he accepts their deeds to the poor as serving Him.

Try reading and praying over the gospels, not taking a verse of Paul out of context and making it the entire truth.

we are saved by grace, but as Paul said: by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace in me has not been fruitless.


1,040 posted on 10/11/2014 9:04:11 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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