Of course it’s all assumed.
There’s not a mention of Mary anywhere in Scripture after the beginning of Acts.
The Bible is totally silent on what happened to her.
Of course it’s all assumed.
There’s not a mention of Mary anywhere in Scripture after the beginning of Acts.
The Bible is totally silent on what happened to her.
Which means that we don’t need to know.
Luther’s “take” on this:
Today the festival of our dear lady, the mother of God, is observed to celebrate her death and departure above. But how little this Gospel corresponds with this is plain. For this Gospel tells us nothing about Mary being in heaven. And even if one could draw from this text every detail about what it is like for a saint to be in heaven, it would be of little use. It is enough that we know that departed saints live in God, as Christ concludes in Matthew [Matthew 22] based on the passage in Exodus [Exodus 4] where God says to Moses, “I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob,” that God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living.
These passages sufficiently prove that they live. But we should not try to figure out what their life is like up there for it is not necessary for us to know. It is also not necessary to discover it. Reason is incapable of it. Some great masters have understanding about some things and yet not about this. For there are three states of life. First, as a child lays in his crib he lives in God but hardly perceives it Second, when we sleep we also are alive and are scarcely aware of it. Thirdly, when we definitely are aware and experience that we are living, even then we don’t know how.
Now since here on earth God deals with us in this meager prison (that is barely half a life), in such a way that we barely perceive how we live here, how much more can He give life in heaven where it is spacious and where is true life. So we cannot set up any definite limits or establish a rule as to how the saints live there since even here dreaming and crazy people live, but we can’t imagine how. It is enough to know that they live. But it is not necessary for us to know what that life is like. That is why I have always said that our faith always must rest upon what is known. We do not make articles of faith out of what doesn’t rest squarely on Scriptures, else we would daily make up new articles of faith. For this reason, those things that are necessary to believe which you must always preserve, which Scripture clearly reveals, are to be markedly distinguished from everything else. For faith must not build itself upon what Scripture does not clearly prove. So since the Scripture clearly says here that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all believers live, then it is necessary for you to believe that the mother of God lives. You can leave it in our gracious God’s hands what that life is like. Enough said about this festival. [Festival Sermons of Martin Luther (Michigan: Mark V Publications, 2005) pp. 145-14].
Another anti-Catholic thread?
Catholics = Mormons when it comes to making up Goddess worship.
When you have 1700 years of dogma, rules, and regulations, I can imagine things can get pretty confusing and contradictory.
1950, huh?
Well, then it’s not so old that it cannot be undone and it needs to be undone!
Therefore the doctrine of sinless assumption cannot be correct.
Another day, another anti-Catholic screed filled with cut-n-paste part truthes mixed in with blatant falsehoods. All allowed here. As the stench grows so does the feeling that the Catholic conservative is no longer welcome here.
Your thoughts?
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
I fail to understand why folks find it necessary to undermine others’ beliefs. I do find it telling that the anti-Catholics seem to be totally unaware of the Eastern Church. We do point to AD 33 as the year of the founding of our Church. And yes, we are Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. Gospodi pomiluj.
All Catholics need to do is show from an infallible source that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. If they cannot then we must consider those who teach it accursed.
There are two people who were translated to Heaven without enduring death - Elijah, the old Testament prophet, and the somewhat obscure antediluvian prophet Enoch. The Holy Spirit decided it was important that both events were recorded in scripture in the Old Testament. Most are familiar with the references to Elijah in the New Testament - comparison to John the Baptist, and his appearance at the transfiguration. And then there is Enoch, as random as his mention in the OT, Jude links him to an End Times prophesy, and Paul makes a point to elaborate on his translation in Hebrews.
Hebrews 11:5-6 (AMP)
5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony [still on record] that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].
You would expect if the Holy Spirit felt compelled to record these two translations, that any trip to Heaven by someone in the New Testament would be faithfully recorded as well, especially if it was the mother of Jesus.
Now we turn our attention to the New Testament, specifically the books attributed to Luke. No other writer was so meticulous, recording every detail - names, places, dates, events, many of which seemingly had no relevance to the narrative - they all do have a divine purpose. Based on the details recorded in Luke about the Nativity, one would assume he had interviewed Mary, had extensive Holy Spirit assistance, and/or eyewitness testimony. If Mary was in any special way translated into Heaven, he would have mentioned it. Had she had an elevated position in the Early Church, this would have been made clear in Acts. This is not the case at all. Her last appearance, Acts 1:14, she is merely listed along with the other women and the disciples who were waiting on the Holy Spirit in prayer. After this mention, she disappears from the New Testament. It is highly likely she would have died (or the assumption occurred) within the lifetime of EVERY NT writer. But not a single writer was inspired to provide one shred of evidence to her elevated status, role in worship, or assumption.
In the Pauline Epistles, where the revelation of the Church is fully explained, made up of neither Jews or Gentiles with Jesus as the HEAD of the Body of Christ, she is nowhere to be found. In Hebrews, written by someone well acquainted with the Old Testament and the Law, who carefully proves the superiority of of the New Covenant with Jesus as the Savior and Eternal High Priest, the mother of Jesus gets no mention whatsoever. Same story from Peter, James, Jude, John, all contemporaries, not a mention of Mary, or any supernatural trip to Heaven. And if not for the most extreme religious contortions, attempting to “discover” Mary in Revelation 12, ignoring almost 4,000 years of religious types and prophecies concerning God’s chosen people Israel, she makes no appearance in the last book in the Bible either.
And if all that was not sufficient, consider Hebrews 11 - the faith heroes of the Bible. If there was ever a time to recognize Mary, the sinless eternal virgin who flew to Heaven, THIS would be the place. In this wonderful chapter listing how men and women through faith in God were mightily used, Mary is ignored. There is Sarah, and the birth of Isaac, and even Rahab the harlot of Jericho, but no mother of Jesus. In his closing remarks the writer makes it clear the focus should always remain on the Living Word, Jesus.
Hebrews 12:1-2 (AMP)
1 THEREFORE THEN, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [who have borne testimony to the Truth], let us strip off and throw aside every encumbrance (unnecessary weight) and that sin which so readily (deftly and cleverly) clings to and entangles us, and let us run with patient endurance and steady and active persistence the appointed course of the race that is set before us,
2 Looking away [from all that will distract] to Jesus, Who is the Leader and the Source of our faith [giving the first incentive for our belief] and is also its Finisher [bringing it to maturity and perfection]. He, for the joy [of obtaining the prize] that was set before Him, endured the cross, despising and ignoring the shame, and is now seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
If this “assumption” was so critical to Christianity, why did the Holy Spirit neglect to record it in scripture? You cannot look to man, myth, legends, or a denomination for an answer. You must rely on God’s Word - The Truth. If He neglected to record it in His Word, it did not happen, or is not relevant for Believers. It is most likely the reasoning of men or religious fabrication, and should be dismissed. And you certainly don’t build a religious tradition around a legend, and then attempt to force scripture to confirm it.
The entire scope of God’s Word, from Genesis to Revelation, is revealing Jesus to the world. He is the Incorruptible Seed, He is the Living Word. He is the Head (and only Head) of the Body. He is the Last Adam. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is Savior and Lord. Jesus is ALL you need. Let these words settle in your heart and renew your mind. The Truth makes you free.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV)
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
John 5:37-47 (AMP)
37 And the Father Who sent Me has Himself testified concerning Me. Not one of you has ever given ear to His voice or seen His form (His facewhat He is like). [You have always been deaf to His voice and blind to the vision of Him.]
38 And you have not His word (His thought) living in your hearts, because you do not believe and adhere to and trust in and rely on Him Whom He has sent. [That is why you do not keep His message living in you, because you do not believe in the Messenger Whom He has sent.]
39 You search and investigate and pore over the Scriptures diligently, because you suppose and trust that you have eternal life through them. And these [very Scriptures] testify about Me!
40 And still you are not willing [but refuse] to come to Me, so that you might have life.
41 I receive not glory from men [I crave no human honor, I look for no mortal fame],
42 But I know you and recognize and understand that you have not the love of God in you.
43 I have come in My Father’s name and with His power, and you do not receive Me [your hearts are not open to Me, you give Me no welcome]; but if another comes in his own name and his own power and with no other authority but himself, you will receive him and give him your approval.
44 How is it possible for you to believe [how can you learn to believe], you who [are content to seek and] receive praise and honor and glory from one another, and yet do not seek the praise and honor and glory which come from Him Who alone is God?
45 Put out of your minds the thought and do not suppose [as some of you are supposing] that I will accuse you before the Father. There is one who accuses youit is Moses, the very one on whom you have built your hopes [in whom you trust].
46 For if you believed and relied on Moses, you would believe and rely on Me, for he wrote about Me [personally].
47 But if you do not believe and trust his writings, how then will you believe and trust My teachings? [How shall you cleave to and rely on My words?]
Wow, is that a dissertation? Or do you just have waaaayyy too much time on your hands?
The time and energy the haters spend here ranting against the Catholic Church could be better spent volunteering at a school or a food bank instead. I’m sure that would please Our Lord much more than the terrible things that are said on here about his mother.