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THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries
christiantruth.com ^ | William Webster

Posted on 09/27/2014 11:05:41 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Elsie

“But narses just LOVES to post his 5 favorite pictures over and over”

There are some people—none of whom post on FR, of course, but just some people—who never get anything, and never get that they didn’t get it.

Narses’ pictures are not *false* information, you see, so...oh, why even bother?

I’m going to look at some Catholic art, play some Catholic music, light a votive candle, burn some incense, and try to pray away all the filth that the fang and claw protestants have sloshed on me.


1,301 posted on 09/30/2014 6:45:30 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
>>Catholics demonstrate again and again that Catholic beliefs are “based on Scripture and are in full agreement with it.”<<

Please show the infallible source that show where the apostles taught the assumption of Mary.

1,302 posted on 09/30/2014 6:45:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: dsc
...I just can’t seem to resist trying to roll that boulder up the hill from time to time.


 
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1,303 posted on 09/30/2014 6:46:31 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: BlueDragon
Such appeal to the historical weight of intellectual tradition is what lead to Galileo being censored for challenging the established view of geocentrism. And which some RCs yet contend for, even stating

three Popes (Paul V, Urban VIII and Alexander VII) have officially declared that heliocentrism is opposed to Sacred Scripture, and condemned the notion that heliocentrism was a truth to be believed with certainty. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2011/08/galileo-was-wrong-the-church-was-right/

Galileo was wrong, the church was right: theologians attempting to defend the Church by arguing that the condemnation of Galileo did not engage the Church’s authority or impose an obligation in conscience on the faithful to hold geocentrism as true have of course laid themselves open to the argument of liberal Catholics or would-be Catholics that they are therefore free to reject other decrees of the Holy See on any topic from scriptural interpretation to the immorality of contraception.” — http://www.catholicintl.com/galileowaswrong/index.html

Like some other pages on this site, that one has since been expunged, but it is easily documented that this was/is the view of Sungenis and others,. apparently including the infamous Scripture wresting "scripturecatholic" (http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html) some RC here uncritically cut abnd paste from.

1,304 posted on 09/30/2014 6:47:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: dsc
Catholics demonstrate again and again that Catholic beliefs are “based on Scripture and are in full agreement with it.”

That is absurd, and has been shown time and time again, and as can be substantiated, and your statement has as much credibility as the one that omnisciently asserts that is and never has been a bit of anti-Protestant bias omn FR. And which explains how the new assertion can be made.

1,305 posted on 09/30/2014 6:53:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: narses; JPX2011; metmom; mlizzy; CynicalBear; caww

God spoke directly to Moses; yet when God sent a message to Mary, He sent an Angel.

Who is greater, Moses or Mary?


1,306 posted on 09/30/2014 6:55:59 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mlizzy
Because we do not remember Jesus only as the Risen Lord.

But that's all any of us are going to encounter Him as.

1,307 posted on 09/30/2014 7:08:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc
Fang and claw protestants argue that if it isn’t in the Bible it didn’t happen.

Can you cite an example on this thread akin to your example of an absence of a meteorological report on the day of Jesus' baptism?

Catholics demonstrate again and again that Catholic beliefs are “based on Scripture and are in full agreement with it.”

Well, if Roman Catholic beliefs are based on Scripture and in full agreement with it, does Roman tradition ADD anything to Scripture that is binding on the Christian conscience or does it NOT ADD anything to Scripture that is binding on the Christian conscience?

And are all binding traditions traditions that were taught by the apostles, or has tradition evolved and developed so that there are binding traditions necessary for salvation that the Apostles did not teach?

If there are some mysterious oral traditions that were taught by the apostles that are not in Scripture would you mind providing any of the actual content of any such supposed Apostolic oral traditions?

Cordially,

1,308 posted on 09/30/2014 7:12:14 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
God spoke directly to Moses; yet when God sent a message to Mary, He sent an Angel. Who is greater, Moses or Mary?

And God brought forth His pure word thru Moses, and did mighty miracles thru him, and baptized the Israelites unto Moses, who was willing to be damned for the Israelites, as he was a type of Christ, with a noble mother like Mary.

However, unlike even the often-idolatrous Jews who did not elevate Jochebed above that which is written, which we are admonished not to do, Caths make Mary into a type of demigoddess.

For which they employ specious Roman Reasoning, that since God can do something they Rome can say he did, as seen in the OP: "And, since it was within His power to grant her this great honour, to preserve her from the corruption of the tomb, we must believe that He really acted in this way".

Thus if Rome wanted, they could say Mary parted the Red Sea, made an axe head float, raised the dead.

Or that she suffered all the consequences of sin and saved us through her merits, and is "Mother of her Creator...through Whom the Holy Trinity is sanctified." and that “The power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited," having “immeasurable greatness,” and "all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin,..." "her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands...because it is always humble and conformed to his will, the dispenser of all he possesses...” having “authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,”...even that ”God gave her the power and the mission of assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels who fell away through pride....all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her...They greet her countless times each day with the angelic greeting, "Hail, Mary", while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests...The whole world is filled with her glory,.." " there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose." “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus.." "O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore we have recourse, to thee alone, and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil. - . . Thou (Mary) art my only hope. . . . Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation..." "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse." so "we cannot honor her to excess" http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/MarySC.html#ascriptions

But which (in the above paragraph) they actually do! And more.

1,309 posted on 09/30/2014 7:45:08 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Surely those are not all things said about Mary by the Catholic Church are they?


1,310 posted on 09/30/2014 8:15:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool
You said the most common language was Greek...NYer says the language spoken (most common) was Aramaic...The most common language in Israel v. the most common language in the Eastern Med.
1,311 posted on 09/30/2014 8:21:43 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: Elsie

Thanks. I was really scared because it was so high, she was going to send me to the ER if it had not gone down.


1,312 posted on 09/30/2014 8:38:54 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: dsc; Syncro; Religion Moderator
You see, the moderators do allow personal insults here, so long as the poster is a tiny bit clever about it. I have demonstrated that on numerous occasions, and you demonstrate it once again by putting the word “opinion” in danger quotes.

I really hate a bully.

On a level playing field, there might be nothing wrong with it. What’s wrong with it here is that it translates to this: “We will insult you and lie about you to our heart’s content, and you will not be allowed to answer with the truth, so shut up.”

Not only do you insult all the non-Catholic Christians here - those that refuse to be bullied by certain Roman Catholics -and who go to the trouble of REPEATEDLY explaining why certain RC dogmas aren't acceptable to them, you continue to accuse the Religion Moderator of showing favoritism, not ensuring a "level" playing field for you and allowing rule breaking by non-Caths while dinging the rule breaking Catholics! But, you cannot show even one time where that was the case. No one expects the Moderator to monitor every single thread down to the last post to ensure compliance - we are, after all, all grown-ups here. But there is a "report abuse" button available to anyone who feels the moderator needs to be brought in. How often have you used that feature?

Furthermore, you cannot point to ANY post where you have personally been insulted without the Mod reprimanding nor can you point out what you believe are "lies" being told to ones "heart's content" while you have been prohibited from rebutting it - that's just silly. As the rules explain, disruptors are not allowed to stay very long on open religion forum threads and those who continue to flaunt the rules after repeated warnings can and do get told to leave the thread. Whiners and crybabies are even less welcome. The most egregious ones get zotted!

1,313 posted on 09/30/2014 8:43:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CynicalBear
Does scripture say Sarah is our mother like it does say "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."?

I have no qualms with the belief that the Jerusalem above is the mother of us all. However, scripture repeatedly references people having multiple fathers. Does this extend to mothers; can we have multiple mothers?
1,314 posted on 09/30/2014 8:45:11 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: CynicalBear
Apparently then Muslims, Catholics, and the followers of Michael Rood all have something in common. Of course Catholics even claim they serve the same god so we knew they had something in common with Muslims.

The belief stated previously was that the original manuscripts have been lost and the ones we have are poor translations. This is the Islamic; not the Catholic position.
1,315 posted on 09/30/2014 8:47:27 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: daniel1212
Which bare denial is no argument, and instead it fails to deal with the evidence that Scripture is abundantly evidenced that Scripture alone was the transcendent supreme infallible standard for obedience and for testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and thus assured, Word of God.I have looked through a handful of that list; I have not seen anything that establishes the sole infallible authority of Scripture.
1,316 posted on 09/30/2014 8:56:37 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3
However, scripture repeatedly references people having multiple fathers.

It does? Do you want to name them?

1,317 posted on 09/30/2014 8:56:48 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: dsc

Yes, your posts do show that.


1,318 posted on 09/30/2014 8:59:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear
Surely those are not all things said about Mary by the Catholic Church are they?

No, not all "officially," but they are so prevalent and uncensored that they are implicitly sanctioned, all under the premise that saying it is only "hyperdualia" vs. "latria" makes it so, though only God is seen receiving the scope and manner of attributions and accolades overall.

1,319 posted on 09/30/2014 9:00:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Iscool
Nope...The context is ALL...Jew, Gentile and Catholics...ALL means ALL...That includes Mary and her Mother...

Bible says NONE were/are sinless...And no where is there any indication of even a fable that Mary could have been sinless...


Does this all include Jesus or not? Also, I am unaware of any Catholic teaching on the Immaculate Conception of Mary's mother; only of Mary and Jesus. The context of the the passage in question is Jew vs. Greek. The entirety of the passage in Romans 3 is a dispute on the question of whether Jews or Greeks have an advantage. Here are some quotes from writers in the early era connecting Mary to Eve.
1,320 posted on 09/30/2014 9:06:17 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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